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Rimrocker: Credulous

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. basso

    basso Member
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    if, as Rimrocker postulates W: worst president ever. what does that make those who voted for Obama?

    via Reason:

    [rquoter]So Obama loves huge government, is prosecuting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq pretty much along Bushian lines, hasn't closed Gitmo, and hasn't done anything about "don't ask, don't tell." And now, my foolish "liberaltarian" friends, comes the coup de grace. From the AP:

    The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

    Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.

    The provision on business records was long criticized by rights groups as giving the government access to citizens' library records, and a coalition of liberal and conservative groups complained that the Patriot Act gives the government too much authority to snoop into Americans' private lives.

    As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law. Back in May, President Obama said legal institutions must be updated to deal with the threat of terrorism, but in a way that preserves the rule of law and accountability.

    In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don't weaken the effectiveness of the law.
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    AP story cited above is here.
     
  2. pippendagimp

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    i could go for snacking down a forearm-deep bag of cheeez doodles right about now :)
     
  3. pgabriel

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    Ummm, he's drawing down troops and IRAQ, he said we should step up our focus in Afghanistan. Innocent prisoners have been released from Gitmo. Its only been 8 months. Its easy to argue your side when you make stuff up.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    pgabriel and pippendagimip - you guys really ought to know better.

    Basso saw a post in a thread he didn't like (the one on the census bureau) and he started this thread to be a b****, because that is essentially what his online character is. So I expect nothing more, nothing less from him.

    HOwever it's not necessary for you two to fall for it hook, line and sinker.

    Nothing gives that frustrated 51 year old man more pleasure in his online life than when people attempt to respond seriously and have a discussion with respect to something that he has no intention to discuss seriously.

    Please deny him this pleasure as his online caricature is kind of an ******* who doesn't deserve it.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    As usual basso posts an article full of inaccuracies and act like it's a triumph.

    basso, I'd be happy to point out the inaccuracies and discuss them. But I'm not going to bother unless you promise to stick around and not run away.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    Very astute observation as to the posting traits of basso.
     
  7. gifford1967

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    <a href='http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=2634215168'><img src='http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/9/16/128975872746908071.jpg' id='_r_a_2634215168' title='don be hatin be postulatin' alt='don be hatin be postulatin' /></a><br />moar <a href='http://icanhascheezburger.com'>funny pictures</a>
     
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  8. basso

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    i demand you be reprimanded for that uncouth breach of bbs protocol.
     
  9. Northside Storm

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    yo basso, thanks for your work and imma let you finish but the Iraqi information minister was the greatest propagandist of all time!
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    seriously we could have kanye'd this thread, damn I forgot about that.
     
  11. thadeus

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  12. Oski2005

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    Obviously Obama, because he was born in Kenya, only gets 8 months to undo the last 8 years.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Well according to basso logic, since Obama has been in office longer than Chimpy was before an attack, one would have to acknowledge that Obama is in fact doing a better job of protecting America.
     
  14. rimrocker

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    What's hilarious is that the one time you decide to use actual capital letters, you get my name wrong. It's rimrocker.
     
  15. pippendagimp

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    i submit that there is nothing serious at all about cheeez doodles......nothing! :D
     
  16. basso

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    O keeps getting his W on.

    [rquoter] Ignoring a Law on Foreign Relations

    By CHARLIE SAVAGE
    WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has declared that President Obama can disregard a law forbidding State Department officials from attending United Nations meetings led by representatives of nations considered to be sponsors of terrorism.

    Based on that decision, which echoes Bush administration policy, the Obama administration sent State Department officials to the board meetings of the United Nations’ Development Program and Population Fund in late spring and this month, a department spokesman said. The bodies are presided over by Iran, which is on the department’s terror list, along with Cuba, Sudan and Syria.

    The administration’s decision was disclosed in a little-noticed legal memorandum recently posted on the Justice Department Web site.

    The law at issue is a fairly narrow one, and presidents of both parties have long objected to such statutes as infringements on their power over foreign relations.

    But assertions by the Justice Department that certain laws cannot bind the president have drawn far more attention since the Bush administration, when the Office of Legal Counsel wrote secret opinions authorizing the bypassing of statutes and treaties governing surveillance and the treatment of detainees.

    John P. Elwood, who served in the Office of Legal Counsel in President George W. Bush’s second term, said the Bush team would probably have reached the same conclusion as the Obama officials about the United Nations statute. Nevertheless, Mr. Elwood said, “Any time you tell the president or an executive officer that it’s O.K. to disregard an act of Congress that is pretty explicit, I think that’s pretty significant.”

    In the new opinion, David Barron, the acting head of the Office of Legal Counsel, wrote that the statute — a restriction Congress imposed in the State Department’s annual budget bill — “unconstitutionally infringes on the president’s authority to conduct the nation’s diplomacy, and the State Department may disregard it.”

    His opinion cites many examples of previous administrations of both parties taking a similar view. Among them, Mr. Bush used signing statements to instruct the State Department to interpret identical restrictions as “advisory” rather than mandatory, and his administration sent officials to a Development Program meeting in January.

    The chairwoman of the House appropriations subcommittee that oversees financing for the State Department, Representative Nita M. Lowey, Democrat of New York, strongly objected to the overriding of such statutes by the executive branch.

    “This provision is law for a very good reason,” Ms. Lowey said. “There are consequences for being a state sponsor of terrorism. The decision of both the previous and current administrations to disregard this law is unacceptable.”

    But Philip J. Crowley, a State Department spokesman, pointed out that the United States contributes about $400 million a year to the Development Program. It is in the national interest, Mr. Crowley said, to participate in meetings that will decide how to spend that money.

    “We should not give Iran a veto over our national interest just because it happens to chair a particular meeting,” he said.

    Nothing in the Constitution explicitly says Congress cannot forbid using taxpayer money to send certain officials to diplomatic meetings that lawmakers find objectionable. The Supreme Court has never ruled on the question.

    “This is a realm of many questions and few answers,” said Harold H. Bruff, a University of Colorado law professor who worked at the Office of Legal Counsel in the Carter administration and is co-author of a casebook on separation-of-powers law.

    Mr. Bruff, who is also the author of “Bad Advice: Bush’s Lawyers in the War on Terrorism”, said that while Mr. Barron’s memorandum authorized the president to bypass a statute, it was “considerably more nuanced and less sweeping” than some of the Bush team’s work.

    For example, instead of claiming virtually exclusive power over foreign policy for the presidency, as some of the Bush legal team’s memorandums did, Mr. Barron’s opinion emphasized that Congress wields substantial authority over foreign affairs — even though this particular statute went too far, it argued.

    Still, Curtis Bradley, a Duke University law professor who was a State Department lawyer in the Bush administration, said the new memorandum demonstrated that the Bush legal team’s approach was not as aberrational from other administrations as some critics contended.

    Ms. Lowey and Senator Patrick J. Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who is chairman of the Judiciary Committee and the Senate subcommittee that handles State Department appropriations, criticized the administration for not telling Congress about its plans.

    In a statement, Mr. Leahy said he recognized that “the current and former administrations may have legitimate constitutional concerns about this provision.” But he added: “There is no excuse for the administration’s failure to inform Congress that steps would be and in fact have been taken in violation of this provision. I cannot accept this.”

    Justice Department officials pointed out that when Mr. Obama signed the legislation containing the provision in March, he issued a signing statement reserving a right to bypass any portions of the bill that restricted his power to conduct diplomacy.

    Mr. Crowley acknowledged a failure to notify Congress about the decision to bypass the statute. “We probably could have done a better job keeping Congress informed,” he said, “but the law did not require any formal notification.”
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  17. justtxyank

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    Serious bidness!

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  18. Refman

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    Space Ghost would suggest that you should be heavily taxed for such behavior.
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    Not sure what your deal is with me. I never said to implement food sin taxes.

    But what can you expect from a D&D poster.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I think he is confusing you with me.

    But I do think, if people had to pay a tax on bad posts in the D&D, basso would have to declare bankruptcy.
     

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