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[Ridiculous]Mexico Demands U.S. Allow More Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Aceshigh7, Jan 11, 2006.

  1. Aceshigh7

    Aceshigh7 Member

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    Someone needs to tell the Mexican government to STFU and stop trying to dictate our government's policies. We're already swamped by illegal immigrants and Vicente Fox's regime keeps trying to open the floodgates even more.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060110/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_us_immigration


    By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 10, 2:09 AM ET

    MEXICO CITY - Diplomats from Mexico and Central America on Monday demanded guest worker programs and the legalization of undocumented migrants in the United States, while criticizing a U.S. proposal for tougher border enforcement.

    Meeting in Mexico's capital, the regional officials pledged to do more to fight migrant trafficking, but indirectly condemned a U.S. bill that would make illegal entry a felony and extend border walls.

    "Migrants, regardless of their migratory status, should not be treated like criminals," they said.

    The countries represented at the meeting — including Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala,
    El Salvador, Honduras, Belize and Panama — created a working group to design a regional policy to avoid migrant abuse and to follow the course of the legislation.

    "There has to be an integrated reform that includes a temporary worker program, but also the regularization of those people who are already living in receptor countries," Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said.

    Derbez has called the measure — which passed the U.S. House of Representatives last month but still must go before the Senate — "stupid and underhanded," but was somewhat more restrained on Monday, saying "it's not the Mexican government's position to tell the U.S. Senate what to do."

    The U.S. proposal has caused widespread resentment in Mexico, where some have accused President
    Vicente Fox's administration of not being assertive enough in opposing it. Fox has called the bill shameful.

    Mexicans working in the United States are a huge source of revenue for Mexico, sending home more than $16 billion in remittances in 2004, Mexico's second largest source of foreign currency after oil exports according to the country's central bank.

    Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, defended the administration's record on Monday, telling reporters that migration has declined in recent years, though official figures show it remains at historically high levels.

    Aguilar also said migrants "don't emigrate because they lack work, but rather for a series of other reasons, cultural reasons or better living conditions."
     
  2. mc mark

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    And the Clutch award for irony post of the year goes to... ;)
     
  3. Saint Louis

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    That's right, Mexico better be careful. I know they have oil in their country and the CIA just might happen to tell George W. that they are hiding WMD. Fox better be careful or there might be Marines marching in the Halls of Montezuma again.
     
  4. droxford

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    This is a direct slap in the face to all Americans. It's basically saying, "Yeah, we know that you Americans want to control and regulate how many immigrants enter the country. We don't care. We're gonna break your laws and enter your country illegally despite your best interests. And how dare you treat us like criminals for breaking your laws!"

    That's some bullsh!t right there.
     
  5. Saint Louis

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    I don't blame the immigrants for trying to improve their lives. I do have a serious problem though when a government openly admits to supportting the illegal activity. Maybe we should send the Mexican government the bill for any aid, education or medical care their citizens incure when in our country illegally.
     
  6. pirc1

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    Why don't these country try to improve their economy instead of asking US to take more immigrants? What have this Fox guy done for Mexico since he's been in power?
     
  7. MR. MEOWGI

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    I will care about immigration when I hear the same outcry about outsourcing.
     
  8. subtomic

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    What irritates me most about all the back and forth between Mexico and the U.S. regarding illegal immigration is that nobody is talking about the real issues here:

    1) The Mexican government is doing nothing to create economic opportunities for the poor Mexicans who make up the bulk of illegal immigrants

    2) The United States government is doing nothing to police employers who use illegal immigrant labor.

    Mexico seems to think that we should exist solely to provide jobs and money for their unwanted citizens. As long as there are economic opportunities in the U.S. for illegal aliens, Mexico can continue to avoid making policy and social changes that give their poor a chance to improve their lives while still living in Mexico. Meanwhile, the U.S. complains that illegal immigrants are a burden on our society, but does nothing to stop the demand for cheap labor. As long as the U.S. can make out the Mexican immigrants to be illiterate, lawless leeches, we can continue to avoid making policy and social changes that prevent employers from using cheap labor.

    In the end, it's the poor immigrants who lose. I can't imagine what it would be like to be unwanted no matter where you go.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    Sorry to interrupt your thunder Ace, but guest worker programs arent' being foisted upon us by mexico, are a favored idea of George W. Bush, who has been pushing them for a while:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-3.html

    ....and I don't see why it is such a bad idea. It is quite obvious that America does not have enough of a domestic labor force to fill low paying jobs (toilet cleaning, fruit picking, etc) that immigrants take - this problem will only accentuate itself as the US demographic picture changes over time.

    By filling them under the auspices of a guest worker program, rather than via the black market, it is far easier to regulate exactly who is coming in and out of the country and, in theory, the costly and sometimes deadly ordeal of illegal border crossing can be obviated to a degree.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    I don't understand what kind of policy/social changes you are referring to, and what effect they will have. This isn't the 60's, it's not socialism that's holding them back.

    Their tale of recent economic woe after undergoing a positive period in the 90's, is due to the fact that their export industries have been crunched by the explosive growth of China, whose cheaper labor costs are stiff competition.

    Another major problem is that rich countries e.g., the US, maintain massive subsidies in areas where Mexico has a comparative advantage (agriculture). So, while you and I, courtesy of many of our fine legislators, get to use our tax dollars to provide pork barrel pay-offs to large agribusiness like Archer Daniels Midland Corporaton. who otherwise couldn't compete in the real world (and also who, in many cases, employ illegal immigrants to pick fruit etc. - now there's a fringe benefit....) Mexico's more competitive agriculture industry gets punked in the process.
     
  11. wouldabeen23

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    Oh yeah? Not if the, uh...hehe..."Minutemen"--wink,wink, nudge, nudge--have something to say about it! Guest Worker/Schmest Worker! They is ALL illllleguhls to me and mah 30.06!
     
  12. SWTsig

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    steal a bunch of money.
     
  13. pirc1

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    Is Mexico in worse shape than China in 1978? If they had a visionary leader like Deng I am sure the country could turn around.
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    I don't see anything ridiculous about the Mexican government trying to protect the interests of thousands of its citizens living abroad.

    Lol.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    yes. It doesn't have 1.2 billion laborers and several millennia of central authority as well as a mostly homogenous culture and populace.

    Apples and oranges!
     
  16. HayesStreet

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    Open the borders.

    I'm not sure how accurate it is to say China has a homogenous population. While a large portion of the overall population might fall within the Han ethic grouping - even that designation ignores the huge cultural difference between those on the coastal regions and those in the interior - to say nothing of those in the far interior like Tibet and Xinjiang. Even between Beijing and Shanghai, for instance, there are cultural differences. Maybe some of our Chinese friends can give us more insight.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    THere are many many different minority groups in China....I've eaten kebabs in Kashgar and momos in Lhasa...

    ...but they make up a small (< 10%) part of the populace...and even less of the GDP either then or now.

    And the key phrase should have been "mostly", for which I should have written "relatively".
     
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  18. Zion

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    LOL! :D
     
  19. pirc1

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    Mexico have over 100 million people, it is not like it is a small nation. It have a lot of natural resources including oil fields and a lot of farmable lands. China had to totally reverse the economy from central planning modal to a market economy, that was easier to implement? The 1.2 billion people in China also create huge problems, I am sure the Chinese government wishes it only had 400 million these days.
     
  20. insane man

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    this hypocrisy of mostly asian immigrants towards latino immigrants is disgusting.
     

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