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Rice embodies King's Dream

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  1. basso

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    Does Barbara Boxer know about this?

    http://www.nola.com/national/t-p/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1105860359107000.xml

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    In Rice's rise, many see King's dream refracted
    Role in White House evokes mixed feelings
    Sunday, January 16, 2005
    By Jonathan Tilove
    Newhouse News Service

    In September 1963, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered the eulogy for three of the four girls killed in the bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala. What King could not know was that, within earshot of the blast, just blocks away at her father's church, was another little black girl, a friend of the youngest victim, who 42 years later would be on the verge of becoming America's foremost diplomat.

    This year, the Martin Luther King holiday, marking what would have been his 76th birthday, falls on Jan. 17. The next day, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee opens hearings on the nomination of Condoleezza Rice to succeed Colin Powell as secretary of state.

    It's a stunning juxtaposition that offers those who knew King, lived that history and ponder his legacy an opportunity to wonder: How might they explain Rice's rise to him? And what would he make of it?

    She is, after all, the literal fulfillment of King's dream -- a woman judged not by the color of her skin but by the content of her character. She is also living proof that King's eulogy was prescient, that "these children -- unoffending, innocent and beautiful -- did not die in vain."

    "I would hold her up as a standard for all young black women," said the Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth, the fearless civil rights leader who brought King to Birmingham. And yet Shuttlesworth believes the president Rice serves has got it wrong: "I just don't think bombing people makes them love you."

    Pride and doubt

    And so it is for many of King's disciples -- profound pride at the scale of Rice's success, measured against the deepest doubts about the foreign policy of President Bush.

    On Christmas night 1956 Shuttlesworth's church was blown up. He emerged, unhurt, from the rubble. That was the Birmingham -- "Bombingham" -- where Rice grew up. The dynamiting of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, which took the life of her friend Denise McNair, was only the most famous, the most heinous act of a very long reign of terror.

    That a national security adviser and designated secretary of state in this age of global terror should be someone who survived what she has called "the homegrown terrorism of the 1960s" is striking and, in her view, fitting.

    As she told the National Association of Black Journalists two summers ago, those who think the Iraqis are unready or uninterested in freedom are echoing the racist appraisal of black people when she was growing up.

    "The view was wrong in 1963 in Birmingham, and it is wrong in 2003 in Baghdad," she said.

    But for others, as Columbia University law professor Patricia Williams wrote in The Nation in December, it is unseemly to invoke the memory of the martyred girls in the name of policies that seem so at odds with the spirit of the movement for which they gave their lives.

    "If it's nice to see a black face in high places," wrote Williams, who identified with Rice's exacting black middle-class striving, "that pleasure is more than outweighed by Rice's deployment as spokeswoman for an unprecedented policy of pre-emptive war -- the public face of an undisciplined, frightened, chaotically managed yet supposedly liberatory force that thoughtlessly bombs mosques with unarmed civilians inside."

    Surmounting segregation

    Still, she wrote, "Nobody 'hates' Condoleezza Rice."

    "One of the things I've thought about a lot is why I feel differently about her than I would about some black conservatives," said Clayborne Carson, the historian chosen by Coretta Scott King to direct the King Papers Project at Stanford University, where Rice served as provost before joining the Bush administration. "I think the heart of the difference is that she was always part of the black community."

    But Roger Wilkins, who in 1968, as chief of the Justice Department's Community Relations Service, was sent by President Johnson the day after King's assassination to talk to his widow, believes Rice owes a debt to King, one best paid to those he cared most about at his life's end: the poor. King, Wilkins believes, would want Rice to understand that "there's a lot more to being black in America than just succeeding."

    In a profile that appeared in The Washington Post Magazine the Sunday before Sept. 11, 2001, Rice portrayed herself not so much as the product of the movement to end segregation, which she suggested was already coming undone, as of her family's ability to surmount it and prepare her, their only child, for the opportunities freedom would bring.

    Her mother, Angelena, was a teacher. Her father, John Wesley Rice Jr., was a minister with his own church and guidance counselor at Ullman High School. When Rice was 11, he became a college administrator and moved the family first to Tuscaloosa, Ala., and later to Denver.

    "She's a great American story about the power of education and the progress we've made," said Freeman Hrabowski, president of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County.

    Not the whole story

    Hrabowski, a few years older than Rice, was a student at Ullman. There he was mentored by her father and by the school's principal, George Bell, an uncle to Alma Powell, whose father, R.C. Johnson, was the principal of another black high school in Birmingham. Back in 1963, Alma and her baby were living with Johnson while her husband, Colin Powell, who would become Rice's predecessor and the first black secretary of state, was in Vietnam.

    A great story indeed, Hrabowski says. But he cautions, as King might, that while so many black people are still poor and poorly educated, it is not the whole story: "We see progress that few people could have imagined and yet we see challenges as great as ever."

    Unlike Hrabowski, who was jailed at age 12 marching with King, the Rices kept their distance from the movement, which calculatedly placed innocents in evil's way in order to move America.

    "My father was not a march-in-the-street preacher," Rice told the Post. "He saw no reason to put children at risk."

    In his Letter From a Birmingham Jail, written in April 1963, King chided the "few middle-class Negroes who, because of a degree of academic and economic security and because in some ways they profit by segregation, have become insensitive to the problems of the masses."

    But Shuttlesworth does not fault John Rice, on whom he always felt he could count for behind-the-scenes counsel and support. "He was a cautious man," Shuttlesworth said, but "he was a good friend of mine."

    'She is not us'

    Joanne Bland, director of the National Voting Rights Museum in Selma, Ala., does not count Rice's daughter a friend.

    "She is not us," said Bland, who grew up in the George Washington Carver Homes on what now is Martin Luther King Street in Selma, and was arrested in March 1965, at age 11, trying to march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in what came to be known as Bloody Sunday.

    Earlier that year, King, Shuttlesworth and John Lewis, now a congressman from Georgia, became the first black people to check into Selma's Hotel Albert. On registering, King was assaulted by Jimmy George Robinson, a white racist from Birmingham.

    Forty years later to the day come Rice's confirmation hearings.

    "It's testimony to what the movement did," said Joseph Smitherman, who was Selma's mayor in 1965, defeated only in 2000. "The changes it brought would have eventually come, but it would have been years and years."

    Unfinished agenda

    For Denise McNair's father, talking about Condoleezza Rice brings home what was gained and what he lost.

    "Denise was my only daughter at the time, and (she and Rice) were in the same kindergarten at the Presbyterian church where her daddy was pastor," Chris McNair said. "She'd be 53 today. You do wonder what she would have been doing. She was always a leader."

    McNair has followed Rice's career and even visited her for a few minutes at her White House office a couple of years ago. Her politics are not his, he said, but "I take my hat off to her," and to Bush for nominating her.

    But McNair notes the irony that just this past Nov. 2, Alabamans voted narrowly against removing antiquated language from the state Constitution requiring separate schools for "white and colored children."

    On Jan. 17, he will be the keynote speaker at Valparaiso (Indiana) University's annual Martin Luther King convocation. His speech is titled "Birmingham and the Unfinished Agenda."

    . . . . . . .

    Jonathan Tilove can be contacted at jonathan.tilove@newhouse.com.
     
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    Condoleeza Rice embodies Dr. Martin Luther King's dream in exactly the same way George W. Bush embodies Dwight Eisenhower's nightmare.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    MArtin Luther King Jr. dreamed of having war incredibly dishonest people who lie in order to justify starting an elective war, and invading another nation when there are still peaceful options open?

    I had no idea.
     
  4. torque

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    Jeez, you liberals really never stop, do you?

    Condi Rice is an amazing example of a very intelligent and strong willed person working extremely hard to break through color barriers and become very influential in today's world.
     
  5. glynch

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    That's a chuckle. I guess Clarence Thomas embodies the dream, also.

    King spoke out against the Vietnam War. I suppose you think this was just cause LBJ and McNamara weren't black.:rolleyes:
     
  6. Oski2005

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    It's funny that whenever there's a discussion about affirmitive action or hate crime laws, conservatives remind us that we need to stop seeing color and treat everybody equally by ending those things. But when they talk about Condi, Powell, or Thomas, they always tout the fact that they're black and don't view them through color blind eyes.

    Then, when liberals criticize them for their actions the exact same way they would white people making the same decisions, it's liberals who are racist and being unfair.

    torque, have you ever had a post in here that didn't start with "Jeez, you liberals. . ."
     
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    She is extremely smart, and hard working person. She is also dishonest, and lied in order lead our nation into an elective war, where we were the aggressors, and there were still peaceful means available to us.

    I don't think that was Dr. King's dream.
     
  8. torque

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    I think that was my first, thanks. I am not "touting" the fact that Condi is black, I am saying what she has done in her life is extremely impressive considering her skin color. I am sure that MLK would be proud of her accomplishments.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    Condi embodies MLK's dream in that now highly intelligent and capable Black people can also rise to the highest levels of power and behave as myopically and disingenious as white people.

    Truly we can judge Condi not just by the color of her skin but the content of her character.
     
  10. RocketMan Tex

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    I'm sure Condi is a very nice person, but....

    In my opinion, anyone who (1) is National Security Advisor, (2)has a memorandum titled "Bin Laden determined to attack inside United States" come across their desk, and (3) does not take said memorandum seriously, is someone who is distinctly unqualified to be Secretary of State.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Those are MLK's words but try that in this thread and folks won't like it.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    I heard she slept her way to the top!

    :eek:



    kidding.
     
  13. No Worries

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    I like her quote "We never had any intel on the evildoers flying planes into buildings thingy. Swear."
     
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    "I want to say one other challenge that we face is simply that we must find an alternative to war and bloodshed. Anyone who feels, and there are still a lot of people who feel that way, that war can solve the social problems facing mankind is sleeping through a great revolution. President Kennedy said on one occasion, "Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind." The world must hear this. I pray to God that America will hear this before it is too late, because today we’re fighting a war."

    "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence. And the alternative to disarmament, the alternative to a greater suspension of nuclear tests, the alternative to strengthening the United Nations and thereby disarming the whole world, may well be a civilization plunged into the abyss of annihilation, and our earthly habitat would be transformed into an inferno that even the mind of Dante could not imagine."

    "And the leaders of the world today talk eloquently about peace. Every time we drop our bombs in North Vietnam, President Johnson talks eloquently about peace. What is the problem? They are talking about peace as a distant goal, as an end we seek, but one day we must come to see that peace is not merely a distant goal we seek, but that it is a means by which we arrive at that goal. We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means. All of this is saying that, in the final analysis, means and ends must cohere because the end is preexistent in the means, and ultimately destructive means cannot bring about constructive ends. "

    "I refuse to accept the cynical notion that nation after nation must spiral down a militaristic stairway into the hell of nuclear annihilation... I believe that even amid today's mortar bursts and whining bullets, there is still hope for a brighter tomorrow... I still believe that one day mankind will bow before the altars of God and be crowned triumphant over war and bloodshed. "


    MLK jr.





    Rice :rolleyes:
     
  15. halfbreed

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    I find it funny that the American left only celebrates minorities who agree with them and embody the same principles they do.

    They've already used the NAACP for all it's worth and now it's become little but a mouthpiece for the Democratic party, yet nobody decries this obvious ploy. THey use the NAACP the same way Bush uses "evangelicals" but Bush is the evil one for pandering.

    The Democratic party is not the party of the minorities, it's the party of liberal minorities and all others be *darned*.


    Oh and by the way, I LOVE how everyone keeps saying there were "peaceful alternatives" to this war with Iraq that weren't explored. Best laugh I've had all day...oh besides the fact that the Clinton administration got the same intel about Bin Laden and nobody did anything then (only to have you guys blame Condi).
     
  16. No Worries

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    Hmmm. I discern that you are expert of all things NAACP.
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    There were peaceful alternatives that weren't explored. There was the proposition that would have allowed thousands of CIA and FBI on the ground in IRaq to conduct their very own inspections. There was the fact that the Inspectors who were already there wanted more time, but were told to come out by the Bush administration.

    I will agree that in hindsight Clinton didn't do enough about Bin LAden, but to say that he did nothing isn't accurate either. He put out an assassination order on the man. That is far from doing nothing. He organized the task force that came up with cutting off funds to terrorist sponsoring charities, going after their bank accounts. The same task force came up with the ideas of contacting local groups to try and fight against terrorists, punishing countries that sponsor terrorism, using special forces to go after them etc. In other words all the plans that Bush now uses were created by the task force put in place by Clinton.

    The same one that tried but couldn't get meetings with Bush prior to 9/11.

    While Clinton obviously didn't do enough, it was far from doing nothing.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    He dropped out last year.
     
  19. basso

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    where did you get this? are you making it up? it sounds like a bit of revisionist history to me. and even if it were true, implementing policy is much more effective than merely discussing it.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    We had threads and threads on it. There were sources talking about it all of which had articles talking about it.

    It isn't revisionist history but legitimate other options that we could have tried before we tried an invasion.
     

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