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Republicans Cross Over to Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Aug 12, 2008.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/12/1261942.aspx

    REPUBLICANS CROSS OVER FOR OBAMA

    Posted: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:47 PM by Mark Murray
    Filed Under: Republicans, 2008, Obama

    From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones and NBC's Alex Wall
    The Obama campaign hopes to attract hundreds of thousands of Republicans to support the Democratic candidate in November, said three GOPers who hosted a conference call this morning.

    The three Republicans -- former Iowa Rep. Jim Leach (who formally endorsed Obama today), former Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee, and former White House intelligence advisor Rita E. Hauser -- announced the formation of "Republicans for Obama," which will launch a Web site in the coming days that will be a clearinghouse of information for Republicans who want to learn more about the Illinois Democrat. The site will highlight the differences between Obama and McCain on the issues and let them know where they can go to see the candidate and how they can help in his election effort.

    "From my perspective, this is simply not a time for politics as usual," said Leach, arguing that the portfolio of issues that will be passed on to the next president would be as daunting as any since World War II and would therefore require "inspiring, new, political leadership" and the kind of change he believes Obama's platform offers.

    Leach, Chafee, and Hauser cited the presidential hopeful's approach to foreign policy and to the economy as reasons for supporting him over McCain, saying the Arizona senator would continue Bush Administration policies -- from the war in Iraq to an unwillingness to engage enemies in direct diplomacy -- that have hurt America's standing in the world and its financial stability.

    Chafee said “we’ve seen our credibility shattered” over the last eight years. Added Leach: “The prospect that we’ll have more of the same -- that is the source of angst of many Republicans around the country."

    Hauser also pointed to the difference between the two candidates' response to the conflict between Russia and Georgia as evidence of the need for a new kind of foreign policy. She said McCain's statements had indicated a bellicose and confrontational approach to dealing with Russia, while Obama had focused more on involving world organizations and working towards reconciliation.

    Leach and Hauser both alluded to a McCain campaign theme of "putting country first" to explain why they had split with their party to support Obama, with Leach saying he and thousands of Republicans would be choosing "country over party in this election" -- and Hauser saying that while it was hard to walk away from her party's nominee she had to "put country first."

    The call participants declined to name other Republicans who would join the Republicans for Obama effort. When asked specifically whether Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, an Iraq war critic who traveled with Obama on a congressional delegation to the region last month, would be among the members, Leach said it was important for Hagel himself to make any such announcement, should it come. And he added, "I just hope he's considered for veep. I think he'd be a wonderful balance to the ticket."

    *** UPDATE *** RNC spokesman Alex Conant emails this response: “Barack Obama’s claims to bipartisan appeal are as thin as his record. Republicans will vote for a Commander-in-Chief ready to lead -- not a partisan politician who is only ready to raise taxes and increase spending.”
     
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    I think this should be a wake-up call the McCain and the party overall.
     
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    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-exurbs12-2008aug12,0,7724249,full.story


    UNEASY VOTERS: The changing exurbs
    Longtime Republican voters are airing new views
    Robert Azmita / For The Times
    "This is the first election I ever actually looked at someone else other than the Republican candidate," says one of several neighbors in this Pasco County, Fla., subdivision near Tampa. Others echo her sentiments at their casual nightly gatherings.
    Many struggling families in the normally comfortable cul-de-sacs outside U.S. cities are thinking of switching parties.

    By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    August 12, 2008
    WESLEY CHAPEL, FLA. -- The first in an occasional series.

    -- Cheap mortgages and cheap gas built this sprawling landscape of tan and gray stucco homes, iron gates and golf course communities. And the people who flocked here over the last decade -- upwardly mobile young families in pursuit of lower taxes and wholesome neighborhoods -- emerged as a Republican voting bloc crucial to President Bush's 2004 reelection.

    The boom that turned swamps and pastures into a suburban mecca has stopped dead. Now the talk is about plummeting home values, rising food costs, and gas prices that make the once-painless half-hour commute to Tampa a financial strain. It's enough to give some here the sense that maybe, this time around, the Republicans do not deserve their votes.

    "This is the first election I ever actually looked at someone else other than the Republican candidate," said Rodriguez, 33, who is studying to be a teacher and is a fixture at the lawn chair hobnob here on Greely Court, a quiet cul-de-sac in a Pasco County subdivision called Wrencrest.

    "I've had enough with the Republican economics," she added, as her husband, Danny, who had just driven from his banking job in Tampa, piped in: "No more Bush."

    The Rodriguezes were sitting in a neighbor's driveway with several other regulars as the kids played in the street. From their chairs, the parents could see evidence of changing times: home-for-sale signs in both directions, with overgrown lawns marking the foreclosures.

    Dori Merkle, 50, who works as a special education instructor in the local schools, said her collapsing home value was pushing her to consider voting Democratic for the first time in her life. Another neighbor, Cheryl Bernales, a 29-year-old economics teacher who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, said that she could face a pay cut "because the economy's so bad," and that she believes Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama "isn't so entrenched in the system."

    In this massive housing complex on the fringes of the Tampa Bay area, one of dozens in Pasco County that popped up over the last 10 years, the sour economy appears to be turning many GOP-friendly voters into undecideds or even potential switchers.

    These voters represent a jump ball -- a potentially decisive constituency in several states that could be snared by either candidate.

    But for Republican candidate John McCain, the danger signs are found beyond Greely Court. Pasco County is only one of the politically potent communities known as exurbs, the outer suburbs of cities, that could provide the margin of victory for the GOP -- or not.

    Four years ago, exurbs in Florida, Ohio, Nevada and Colorado were especially important to Bush's reelection. Targeted by Karl Rove, the architect of Bush's victory, they were full of families escaping crowded schools and other downsides of city and suburban life. They were more consumed with the demands of everyday life than politics, but were open to the Republican messages of family values and low taxes. To Rove, these communities were an important piece of his plan to build a lasting GOP majority. And Bush made a strong stand, winning 97 of the 100 fastest-growing counties.

    McCain, a senator from Arizona, is trying to do the same in a far different climate as exurbanites feel increasingly pinched by the rising costs of what not long ago seemed the ideal lifestyle.

    In interviews across Pasco County, many voters said they liked McCain's support for expanded offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico -- a concrete sign that he has a plan to deal with their most pressing concerns. Public surveys and GOP polls show broad support for drilling, even in this coastal county. That helps explain why McCain made it a centerpiece of his campaign, and why Obama used a Florida appearance to drop his staunch opposition.

    Pivotal places

    But many also worry that McCain, known for his war credentials, does not relate to the troubles facing communities so vulnerable to fluctuations in gas prices and housing values -- communities that happen to be in some of the election's most pivotal states.

    The pain is especially acute in hotly contested Nevada and Florida, which are home to many such communities and are among the nation's hardest-hit real estate markets.

    In eastern Pasco County, where much of the recent growth had occurred, the median price of a single-family home has dropped by nearly one-quarter over the last two years. Since Bush was reelected in 2004, according to a Times analysis, the average cost of gas to drive both ways of the 26-mile commute between the Wrencrest subdivision and downtown Tampa in a typical passenger car has more than doubled, from $4.36 to $9.22.

    Similar trends can be seen in the exurban counties around Denver, Las Vegas, Cincinnati and Detroit, and in the Virginia exurbs near Washington, D.C.

    Stephen S. Fuller, director of the Center for Regional Analysis at George Mason University, says that many young families that moved to exurbia since 2000 racked up credit card debt and took on big mortgages. Now, he said, "if they're upside down on their mortgage, they'll be looking for someone to blame."

    Democrats concede that Obama is unlikely to win a majority of voters in these traditionally conservative communities. But there are signs that 2008 offers a chance for Democrats to slice into the large margins that helped Bush win in 2004.

    Already, Democrats have shown improvement at the ballot box. A study to be published soon by Brookings, a centrist think tank, found that Democrats increased their vote share in the exurban counties from 40% in the 2004 presidential race to 44% in the 2006 congressional elections, just after housing prices began to fall and gas prices began to climb.

    Party strategists are studying the 2006 Senate races in three presidential battlegrounds -- Virginia, Missouri and Colorado -- to learn how themes focused on quality-of-life issues, such as traffic and infrastructure, helped Democrats improve and even win some exurban counties.

    "They ran as pragmatists, offering to solve the problems of exurbanites," said Robert Lang, director of the Metropolitan Institute at Virginia Tech. "If Obama runs a similar race or has similar appeal in those exurbs, that's the road to the White House."

    Republicans also appear to be losing ground in voter registration. The GOP still leads among the 283,000 registered voters in Pasco County, but local elections officials report that Democrats are gaining -- adding about 5,800 new voters and party-switchers since January, compared with about 4,200 new Republicans.

    Obama's top strategists have identified issues that they believe will sway a voting bloc that often includes parents of young children: job security, public schools and the cost of college, said deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand.

    The Illinois senator's recent revision of his long-held opposition to expanded oil drilling was also aimed at this group, as was his promise of an energy rebate.

    But interviews with dozens of voters in Pasco County revealed that Obama, who has mostly relied on the lofty theme of transforming politics rather than fix-it solutions, has yet to win their trust. And analysts say moving them from swing voters to Democratic voters is a tall order for a liberal politician attempting to become the first black president.

    "History tells us that it takes quite a bit of economic pain to cause traditionally conservative voters to shift candidates," said John D. Kasarda, a professor at the University of North Carolina's business school who has studied demographic patterns in suburbs.

    GOP strategies

    Republican strategists are laying plans to convince anxious exurban voters that McCain would be far better for their car-centric lifestyles. Also, the campaign has deployed phone banks to survey exurban voters on issues that could lead to targeted appeals.

    "We would make a mistake if we would say these are just Republican base areas so let's just turn out the vote," said Mike DuHaime, a McCain strategist who advised the GOP four years ago on its exurban targeting. "If anything, these are swing areas where if we run the wrong kind of campaign we could lose those counties."

    Tom Grossman, the Republican chairman in Warren County, Ohio, near Cincinnati, said commuters in his area would be hearing frequently about Obama's resistance to drilling.

    The argument has already worked for some, including a few mothers who sat poolside at the recreation center in a central Pasco County subdivision called Lexington Oaks.

    As their children splashed, the mothers talked about paying thousands to gas up their SUVs, canceling summer vacations, even considering going back to work. Nevertheless, all agreed: McCain was the candidate who might lower gas prices.

    But, in a worrisome sign for McCain, even one of Pasco's most prominent Republicans says he's not sure where his loyalties will take him in November.

    Alex Deeb, who owns several construction companies, said he "couldn't build houses fast enough" in Bush's first term. But now, one of his firms just laid off 10 workers.

    Deeb thinks McCain "doesn't get it on the economy" and wishes he could vote for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). "At least she understands the economy," said Deeb, who says he's a "dyed-in-the-wool Republican."

    When pressed, Deeb said he'd probably wind up voting for McCain. But the presumptive GOP nominee shouldn't bother asking for a campaign donation. Deeb said he wouldn't send him a check.

    peter.wallsten@latimes.com
     
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    This release is likely in response to the SURGE of Democrats endorsing McCain in New Jersey recently.

    If/When New Jersey turns red, will the last lib still admitting Democratic Party participation please turn out the lights? The party will FRACTURE after losing to John McCain.
     
  5. Batman Jones

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    Awesome.

    Then take the bet.
     
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    Batman, I see that you enjoy asking me to accept the bet. Perhaps it takes you mind off of your craptastic novice of a candidate for a moment. As I have stated before, I am considering the bet. I have not yet reached a conclusion as to its acceptance, as I am still unsatisfied with the terms and conditions of the bet.

    A question for you, friend: Are you participating in the bet as well?
     
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    According to ABC News , which has been a bit biased for McCain, each candidate is attracting approximately 13% of voters from the opposite party.
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    Sure. If someone will match me on the McCain side. Your little brother perhaps?

    You keep guaranteeing a McCain victory. Unless you're full of crap (you are), what are you so scared of?

    Take the bet.
     
  9. El_Conquistador

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    Batman, again, I insist upon at least 15 liberals accepting the bet if I am to accept. Of that 15, included must be yourself, SamFisher, Deckard, mcmark, FranchiseBlade, and glynch.

    I have the strength, wisdom, and intellect of 10 men, so it therefore stands to reason that 15 liberals must counterbalance my strength, wisdom, and intellect on the other side of the bet.
     
  10. Batman Jones

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    Take the bet, coward.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

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    Bats, you have my terms. Either you meet them, or you don't. Just let me know.
     
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    Cluck, cluck, Chicken George.
     
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    Why don't you just admit you're afraid?
     
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    ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS??!!!

    Wow.
     
  15. bucket

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    No, and he never has been.

    Take the bet.
     
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    I've honestly never laughed so hard at anything on the internet in my life. I almost choked to death on chocolate milk.
     
  17. rodrick_98

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    been away for the D&D for a minute, what is this time's bet that will never come to fruition?
     
  18. bucket

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    6 months' self-imposed ban bet on the presidential election.
     
  19. rodrick_98

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    from the whole board or just d&d?




    if it's just the d&d i'll take the bet obama wins in nov.
     
    #19 rodrick_98, Aug 12, 2008
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    Bats, the ball is in your court. Make your move.
     

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