Report shows that Bush and Kerry supporters live in different worlds of reality

Looks interesting, but 16 pages means I need to set aside some time to read that badboy before I comment on it.

 

I was suprised at the misinformation on both sides. While according to this Bush supporters are more misinformed than Kerry supporters regarding Al-Qaeda support I was still surprised at the amount of Kerry supporters who believe that Iraq gave major support to Al-Qaeda pre 9-11.

 

From the polls I remember, the Bushies have been able to fool a lot of Americans about a lot of things simply by stating falsehoods over and over again. Compared to people in other countries we were duped. IIRC we had this argument about the justification for the Iraq war and why the majority of citizens in other countries were against it and Americans were for it, because of repeated statements by Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell and Rumsfeld that turned out to be patently untrue. No one in the press cared to follow up much unfortunately.

 

I guess the old adage is true!

"Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it."

sad really...

 

% Bush Supports Believe....

# 75% believe Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda.

# 74% believe Bush favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade.

# 72% believe Iraq had WMD or a program to develop them.

# 72% believe Bush supports the treaty banning landmines.

# 69% believe Bush supports the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

# 61% believe if Bush knew there were no WMD he would not have gone to war.

# 60% believe most experts believe Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda.

# 58% believe the Duelfer report concluded that Iraq had either WMD or a major program to develop them.

# 57% believe that the majority of people in the world would prefer to see Bush reelected.

# 56% believe most experts think Iraq had WMD.

# 55% believe the 9/11 report concluded Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda.

# 51% believe Bush supports the Kyoto treaty.

# 20% believe Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.

 

The sad fact is: The world is full of idiots.







Myself included.

 

This study explains alot of what get posted here.

 

Perhaps a shorter read ...

The World According to a Bush Voter
By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted October 21, 2004.

A new survey reveals that Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader than face reality.

Do the supporters of President Bush really know their man or the policies of his administration?

Three out of 4 self-described supporters of President George W. Bush still believe that pre-war Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or active programs to produce them. According to a new survey published Thursday, the same number also believes that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein provided "substantial support" to al Qaeda.

But here is the truly astonishing part: as many or more Bush supporters hold those beliefs today than they did several months ago. In other words, more people believe the claims today –- after the publication of a series of well-publicized official government reports that debunked both notions.

These are among the most striking findings of a survey conducted in mid-October by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) and Knowledge Networks, a California-based polling firm.

The survey polled the views of nearly 900 randomly chosen respondents equally divided between Bush supporters and those intending to vote for Democratic Sen. John Kerry. It found a yawning gap in the perceptions of the facts between the two groups, particularly with regards to President Bush's claims about pre-war Iraq.

According to the accompanying analysis offered by PIPA:

The survey probed each respondent's views at three separate levels: One, their personal belief about the two issues; two, their perception of what "most experts" had concluded about the same; and three, their knowledge of the Bush administration's claims on either WMDs or al Qaeda.

The survey found that 72 percent of Bush supporters believe either that Iraq had actual WMD (47 percent) or a major program for producing them (25 percent). This despite the widespread media coverage in early October of the CIA's "Duelfer Report" – the final word on the subject by the one billion dollar, 15-month investigation by the Iraq Survey Group – which concluded that Hussein had dismantled all of his WMD programmes shortly after the 1991 Gulf War and never tried to reconstitute them.

Nonetheless, 56 percent of Bush supporters are under the impression that the expert consensus is exactly the opposite – that Iraq had actual WMD. Another 57 percent think that the Duelfer Report itself concluded that Iraq either had WMD (19 percent) or a major WMD program (38 percent).

Only 26 percent of Kerry supporters, by contrast, believe that pre-war Iraq had either actual WMD or a WMD program, and only 18 percent said "most experts" agreed on the same.

Results on Hussein's alleged support for al Qaeda are similar. The contention – which has been most persistently asserted by Vice President Dick Cheney – was thoroughly debunked by the final report of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission earlier this summer.

Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters said they believed that Iraq was providing "substantial" support to al Qaeda, with 20 percent asserting that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Sixty-three percent of Bush supporters even believe that clear evidence of such support has actually been found, and 60 percent believe that "most experts" have reached the same conclusion.

By contrast, only 30 percent of Kerry supporters said they believe that such a link existed or that most experts have concluded that it did.

Ironically, the only issue on which the survey found broad agreement between the two sets of voters was the role of the Bush administration in actively promoting the claims about Iraq's WMD and connections to al Qaeda.

"One of the reasons that Bush supporters have these (erroneous) beliefs is that they perceive the Bush administration confirming them," notes Steven Kull, PIPA's director. "Interestingly, this is one point on which Bush and Kerry supporters agree."

In regard to WMD, those majorities have actually grown since last summer, according to PIPA.

On WMD, 82 percent of Bush supporters and 84 percent of Kerry supporters believe that the administration claims that Iraq either had WMD or major WMD programs. On ties with al Qaeda, 75 percent of Bush supporters and 74 percent of Kerry supporters believe that the administration claims that Iraq provided substantial support to the terrorist group.

Remarkably, when asked whether the U.S. should have gone to war without evidence of a WMD program or support to al Qaeda, 58 percent of Bush supporters said no. Moreover, 61 percent said they assumed that Bush would also not have gone to war under those circumstances.

"To support the president and to accept that he took the U.S. to war based on mistaken assumptions likely creates substantial cognitive dissonance and leads Bush supporters to suppress awareness of unsettling information about pre-war Iraq," Kull says.

He added that this "cognitive dissonance" could also help explain other remarkable findings in the survey. The poll also found a major gap between Bush's stated positions on a number of international issues and what his supporters believe Bush's position to be. A strong majority of Bush supporters believe, for example that the president supports a range of international treaties and institutions that the White House has vocally and publicly opposed.

In particular, majorities of Bush supporters incorrectly assume that he supports multilateral approaches to various international issues, including the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (69 percent), the land mine treaty (72 percent), and the Kyoto Protocol to curb greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming (51 percent).

In August, two-thirds of Bush supporters also believed that Bush supported the International Criminal Court (ICC). Although that figure dropped to a 53 percent majority in the PIPA poll, it's not much of a drop considering that Bush explicitly denounced the ICC in the first, most widely watched presidential debate in late September.

In all of these cases, majorities of Bush supporters said they favored the positions that they imputed, incorrectly, to Bush. Large majorities of Kerry supporters, on the other hand, showed they knew both their candidate's and Bush's positions on the same issues.

Bush supporters also have deeply erroneous views regarding the extent of international support for the president and his policies. Despite a steady flow over the past year of official statements by foreign governments and public-opinion polls showing strong opposition to the Iraq war, less than one-third of Bush supporters believe that most people in foreign countries oppose the U.S. decision to invade Iraq. Two-thirds believe that foreign views are either evenly divided on the war (42 percent) or that the majority of foreigners actually favors the war (26 percent).

Three of every four Kerry supporters, on the other hand, said it was their understanding that the most of the rest of the world oppose the war.

Similarly, polls conducted during the summer in 35 major countries around the world found that majorities or pluralities in 30 of them favored Kerry for president over Bush by an average of margin of greater than two to one. Yet 57 percent of Bush supporters believe that a majority of people outside the U.S. favor Bush's re-election, while 33 percent think that foreign opinion is evenly divided.

On the other hand, two-thirds of Kerry supporters think that their candidate is favored overseas; only one percent think that most people abroad preferred Bush.

Kull, who has been analyzing U.S. public opinion on foreign-policy issues for two decades, says that this reality gap reveals, if anything, the hold that the president has over his loyalists:

In other words, Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader than face the truth either about their president or the world as it is.

Jim Lobe writes on international affairs for Inter Press Service, Oneworld.net, Foreign Policy in Focus and AlterNet.org.

 

Bush supporters think our country is going in the right direction.

Kerry supporters think the country is not.

Any other synoppsis you want?

 

Bush people agree with what he is doing, Kerry people do not.

Divided down the middle..gonna be interesting.

DD

 

I wasn't sure where to put this but thought it was interesting. Newsweek released their poll this morning and obviously both guys were deadlocked. The stat that jumped out at me was the following

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6312421/site/newsweek/

Most worrisome for Kerry, 9 percent of registered Democrats say they plan to vote for Bush, compared to just 6 percent of Republicans who say they plan to vote for Kerry.

 

Neither one of them inspires me.

I early voted for Kerry because I think it is time for a change.

DD

 

4chucking and DD;

I think this poll shows its beyond whether you think the country is going on the right course or you agree with what the Admin is doing.

This poll is showing that most Kerry and Bush supporters don't even believe in the same set of facts to assess whether you think the country is going in the right direction or that the Admin is doing the right thing.

Large majorities on both sides seem to not accept the same factual baseline to even debate the direction and strategy presented by the two candidates.

 

It's not surprising that Bush supporters conform their view of reality to match with those of the President. Witness basso who now claims that Afghanistan is a triumph of democratic pluralism and has been successfully rehabilitated, and gets very emotional and petulant if people claim otherwise, since the administration has taken that line, rather than having reverted to its pre-Taliban state to a relatively lawless confederation of warring factions ruled by warlords and tribal leaders (including the taliban and al qaeda) jockeying for power over the heroin trade, which it actually is.

 

Sam-
I am happy in the world and I know everything isn't perfect. The economy is in good shape (home ownership is at an all-time high, unemploymenbt is lower than in '96 when Clinton was re-elected) and as far as I am concerned I am happy with how and where we are fighting thew war on terror.
So no everything isn't perfect (yes the economy could be better and yes it would be great to have OBL), but the US is in much better shape than the Kerry campaign tries to portray it.

That's the great thing about this country. Some of us are happy and some of you aren't. Let's see what happens on 11/2 (and possibly a few weeks later). Let's see the percetion of the American voters.

 

That's pretty much how I feel about things these days. Maybe they just forgot to poll us.

 

I'm not talking about subjective stuff like whether or not you are happy in the world or whether you need a new pair of pants, I'm talking about basic facts.

Believing that the US found evidence that Saddam had an active WMD program before the invasion, like a large proportion of GWB's supporters seem to, is demonstrably wrong and or false. It's like saying the earth is flat and Columbus sailed off the edge in 1492.

Either these people are 1. stupid/uneducated/uninformed; or 2. see what they want to see to justify their own views.

I tend to give them more credit than 1 and go for 2.

 

I think these polls help explain the frustration behind some anti-Bush folks.

The large percentage of Bush supporters that believes that we shouldn't have gone to war without Iraqi WMD's or support for Al-Qaeda is a great example.

There were no WMD's or support for Al-qaeda, and these people mistakenly believe there were. They are supporting a man based on their own mistaken beliefs.

If only people had all the facts, Bush would lose in a landslide.