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Report: Iraqi Agent Denies Meeting with 9/11 Hijacker

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Woofer, Dec 13, 2003.

  1. Woofer

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    I know only the die hards still believed this, but had to debunk this once and for all.

    Two years later we finally get the facts straight from the horse's mouth. (In case you didn't trust the Czech government's mouth.)

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...u=/nm/20031213/us_nm/security_iraq_agent_dc_3

    Report: Iraqi Agent Denies Meeting with 9/11 Hijacker
    Sat Dec 13, 7:07 AM ET Add U.S. National - Reuters to My Yahoo!



    NEW YORK (Reuters) - A former Iraqi intelligence officer said to have met with the suspected leader of the Sept. 11 attacks has told U.S. officials no such meeting occurred, The New York Times reported on Saturday.



    Citing U.S. officials familiar with classified intelligence reports, the newspaper said Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, who was taken into U.S. custody in July, told interrogators he did not meet Mohamed Atta in Prague.


    That reported meeting was used by conservatives within and outside the Bush administration as evidence of a link between former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and al Qaeda, the group responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. In the run-up to the war, President Bush (news - web sites) argued that invading Iraq (news - web sites) was part of his administration's anti-terrorism campaign.


    U.S. officials cautioned that Ani may have lied to interrogators about the meeting, but the CIA (news - web sites) and FBI (news - web sites) eventually concluded that the meeting probably did not take place and that there was no evidence that Saddam's government was involved in the Sept. 11 hijack attacks, the Times said.


    Czech officials initially confirmed reports that an Iraqi spy had met with Atta in Prague, even as the CIA and FBI said it was unable to corroborate them. The meeting eventually became a key element in a battle between the CIA and Bush administration hawks over prewar intelligence, the Times said.


    Officials said that since Saddam's government was toppled and the United States gained access to Iraqi officials and files, the CIA has still not uncovered evidence that might change its prewar assessment of the connections between Saddam and al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), the report said.
     
  2. giddyup

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    What exactly would be his motive to confirm that he did meet with Atta?
     
  3. Woofer

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    motive:
    Ever hear of game theory, prisoner's dilemma?

    Police will use lower ranking criminals to rat on other criminals by offer deals of all sorts. It's SOP.

    If they had any evidence at all that this happened they would have leveraged it to the hilt and tortured stuff out of him in Jordan and Egypt.


    Here's one case of many where the police got one innocent man to implicate his three innocent friends for a lighter sentence.

    Look up Roscetti and Chicago and rape using google.

    I can't remember the town off the top of my head but I think it was a Dallas suburb - the police interrogators got a thirteen year old boy to confess to killing his sister when he had nothing to do with it.

    These are extreme cases but if the police can do this to innocent people, I sure hope our intelligence agency can do better with guilty people at Gitmo.
     
  4. Woofer

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    http://www.courttv.com/archive/movie/crowe/fear.html

    The Michael Crowe Case

    Twelve-year-old Stephanie Crowe was found stabbed to death on the floor of her bedroom in Escondido, Calif., on Jan. 21, 1998. Within weeks her 14-year-old brother Michael and two teenage friends were charged with conspiring to kill her, largely due to their confessions.

    After confronting Crowe with some troubling lie detector evidence, lead Escondido police investigator Ralph Claytor told the teen of physical evidence linking him to his sister's murder.

    "Its very difficult for the person who did it not to get blood on them and not transfer that blood to other parts of the house," Claytor told Crowe during the videotaped interrogation. "We found blood in your room already."

    "God," Michael responded, beginning to cry. "Where did you find it?"

    Actually, no blood was found. Investigators later testified that they thought they saw blood but, as the Supreme Court has ruled, there was no need for them to explain their tactic. A judge did find other problems with the ways the confessions were obtained, however, and tossed out all three statements.
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    http://www.patrickcrusade.org/Omar_Larry_Calvin_Marcellius.html

    Final Roscetti DNA test clears 4
    By Steve Mills and Maurice Possley
    Chicago Tribune December 4, 2001

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    Nearly 14 years after four teenagers were convicted of the rape and murder of medical student Lori Roscetti, Cook County prosecutors are preparing to dismiss the charges and release the three men who remain in prison, sources said Monday.
    The decision to drop the cases comes after eight months of DNA testing on semen stains, blood and hairs found on her clothing and at the crime scene has failed to link the four to the October 1986 crime. On Monday, prosecutors traveled to Roscetti's hometown of Springfield to brief her parents on the unraveling case. Prosecutors are expected to dismiss the cases at a hearing Wednesday morning before Cook County Circuit Court Judge Dennis Porter, sources said. Later that day, Omar Saunders and Larry Ollins are expected to be released from Stateville prison, and Ollins' cousin, Calvin Ollins, will be released from Joliet prison, according to sources. All three men are serving life sentences. The fourth defendant, Marcellius Bradford, was released after serving 6 years of a 12-year term. He had pleaded guilty and testified against Larry Ollins in exchange for the reduced prison sentence. Kathleen Zellner, the Naperville lawyer who represents all four of the defendants in their bid to clear their names, said Monday that it was "time to let them go." She said she would file a petition Tuesday asking that Porter vacate the convictions of the four and set aside the sentences, paving the way for their release. "The evidence has overwhelmingly established their innocence," she said, "and they should all be released without any further delay."
    John Gorman, a spokesman for State's Atty. Dick Devine, declined to comment. The decision to drop the case followed the most recent DNA tests conducted on two head hairs discovered on the coat Roscetti was wearing the night of her murder, the results of which are not yet public. Earlier tests were done on nearly two dozen semen stains, blood and two pubic hairs found in the Subaru she was driving that night. All those tests so far found DNA that has matched two unidentified genetic profiles--neither of which have been identified in various DNA databases of thousands of known sex offenders. Pat Camden, a police spokesman, said that detectives were working hard to identify Roscetti's murderers, including trying to find the sources of the new DNA profiles. "This investigation began when factual allegations were brought forward, and it is still continuing," Camden said. "And it's very active."

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  5. giddyup

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    That's all good and well, but I didn't read a single word about this guy being tortured.

    Also, what are the various timelines for this being believed and then disbelieved by the various officials and agencies? That would seem to be important.

    After 9/11 President Bush and many Americans were not wont to wait around for the next great tragedy. If you were responsible for the nation, what would you have done? I know that's a hard question to get an honest answer to in the wake of what we think we know today....
     
  6. Woofer

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    It has been alluded that we sent several guys to Jordan and Egypt, and I would be disappointed if they thought they could get something out of this guy and they didn't use any means necessary. If ordinary police can get innocent people to confess to crimes they didn't commit, our interrogators should be fired if they can't get a guilty man to admit anything. There was no physical torture in any of those police interrogations.

    re: Timeline ,this has been rehashed in other threads, the Bushies continued to use this after it was debunked by the Czechs as part of their tying of Al Qaeda to Iraq. It was a great disrespect to the victims of 9/11 to use that tragedy to further some fruit cake right wing Gulf War 2 versus Iraq instead of pursing the real terrorists into Pakistan. Two years on, and after dead or alive, OBL is irrelevant cause the Bushies don't have the balls to finish the job now.
     
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    I guess you should be President! :D
     

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