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Replacement Refs

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by theimpossibles1, Oct 19, 2009.

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How do you feel about the replacement refs so far?

  1. Like them as much or more than previous refs.

    15 vote(s)
    30.0%
  2. Don't like them, get the old refs back.

    12 vote(s)
    24.0%
  3. Noobs or Cheaters... Can't decide.

    23 vote(s)
    46.0%
  1. theimpossibles1

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    What do you think about the replacement refs?
     
  2. RMGEEGEE

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    Sources: Ref agreement closer
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    By Marc Stein and Chris Sheridan
    ESPN.com

    The NBA's locked-out referees are on the verge of a return to work next week after an unexpected meeting Tuesday in New York that included commissioner David Stern and Lamell McMorris of the referees' union, ESPN.com has learned.

    Sources close to the process told ESPN.com that the referees are scheduled to vote on the latest proposal from the league office Friday after the sudden progress in negotiations, which comes weeks after both Stern and McMorris separately withdrew from the oft-contentious negotiations leading into the lockout.

    The league's new offer, sources said, has the support of the referee union's executive board and is expected to be ratified with scant resistance after the NBA's 57 tenured referees watched replacements from the D-League and WNBA work the entire exhibition season.

    "A lot is happening behind the scenes," one source said.

    "Things look promising," said another source.

    League officials declined comment Tuesday night and will not formally address how quickly veteran referees will be ready to call games until after Friday's vote, but multiple sources close to the process said that the veterans will indeed be back at work in time for the start of the regular season even though their annual September training camp was one of the early casualties of the lockout.

    Opening night is just a week away, with four games scheduled next Tuesday. Yet it was an undeniably significant sign that the executive board of the referees' union -- McMorris included -- met face to face with Stern on Tuesday at the league's offices in Manhattan. One source insisted Tuesday that it is "highly likely" that the veterans will be reinstated by Tuesday after using the rest of this week to get ready, with another source supporting that assertion as long as Friday's vote proceeds as expected.

    The NBA thought it had struck a deal with its referees late last month, only for an 11th-hour reversal from the refs' executive board and a subsequent 43-14 vote against that proposal to prompt Stern to impose a lockout. Walking away from that deal was the impetus behind McMorris' pullout from the negotiations, as he had pushed for accepting the league's offer.

    A rejection of the new offer by the rank and file, by contrast, is seen as highly unlikely by those close to the process, since it would leave veteran officials jobless in the face of a rough national economy and also encourage an increasingly impatient Stern to stick with the replacement refs after yet another public negotiating setback.

    Assuming there are no snags this time, Tuesday's developments are likely to be widely applauded throughout the league, following the expected rash of complaints from coaches and players about how tightly games have been called in the preseason. Charlotte's Larry Brown, Memphis' Lionel Hollins and Orlando's Stan Van Gundy were fined this month for speaking out about the replacement refs, and tensions only figured to rise once games actually started counting.

    Yet it appears that the fact that the sides had seemingly been close in negotiations at various points over the past several weeks enabled the NBA to avoid a repeat of the 1995-96 season, when replacement referees were forced to work into December until a new labor contract could be hammered out.

    The previous contract between the league and its officials expired Sept. 1. The sides reached agreement on two of the three remaining issues in late September -- severance payments for referees who retire as well as the number of game assignments given to referees from the D-League and WNBA -- but stalled over the NBA's proposed reductions to the referees' pension plan.

    Stern removed himself from negotiations in mid-September after McMorris publicly criticized him for his decision to abruptly end a negotiating session. The league, meanwhile, has complained on more than one occasion that the referees' union has reneged on previously agreed-upon concessions and informed its teams in a Sept. 30 memo that the "membership of the NBRA voted to reject" a new two-year collective bargaining agreement after the sides had "reached an agreement in principal."

    Marc Stein and Chris Sheridan cover the NBA for ESPN.com.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4580650
     
  3. 3rdRingsAComin

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    Anyone else not watch a minute of pre-season because its the freaking pre-season?
     
  4. ElPigto

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    If you love your team, you'll more than likely watch them even if the scrubbiest of the bunch are playing. You obviously have a lot of growth to make as a Rockets die-hard :).
     
  5. 3rdRingsAComin

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    I am a Rockets Realist. I realize that these games mean nothing and I have 82 games to watch that matter. Im sure everyone on here loves watching a few guys that wont make the team and people like Cook and Dorsey who wont see any significant minutes during the season play. Do you watch the D-league too, Scouting potential Rockets?

    If that is your definition of a die-hard, I would rather not be one.
     
  6. BrownBeast99

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    The 3 players on the squad most likely not to make the team are Conroy, Temple, and Beck. Beck has barely played, Conroy and Temple haven't played crazy minutes either. We as diehard fans want to see a glimpse of what is to come in the regular season even if it may mean the team struggling. We're eager to see the new additions like Ariza, Andersen, Budinger, Pops, and Taylor. By watching the preseason, we know now that Budinger will be in the rotation in his rookie season, Ariza is trying too much, and Andersen will fit in offensively but will have serious issues defensively. Also we want to see Dorsey if he can contribute this year but it looks like he won't. Plus, it's been a while since we've seen the Rockets out on the court(or any team) and we want to see them as soon as possible.
     

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