Remember when some of y'all wanted Andre Miller over Franchise ...

I hate to DaDakota out on this one but I can't resist.

 

i am not gonna compare Francis to Miller, but i believe Miller will regain his form but not in Clipperland. He would do wonders if he went to the Jazz. Basically you could put Lil Bow Wow in that system and he would florish, they turn somebody's garbage and turn them in to their own treasure.

 

Well no, Miller is no where near the caliber of player Francis is, but a pure PG would make the Rockets and Yao Ming better.

 

rockbox - that's a damn funny sig you've got. were did you get that "quote" from, or did you make it up?

nigma - NEVER EVER say anything positive abotu the jazz on this bbs!!!! ... unless it's something along the lines of them loosing badly

 

I can't disagree, I hate the Jazz as much as anyone but u still got to give the dudes respect, I still wish the Stokton and Malone would to just croak.....not literally ofcourse.

 

If I remember correctly, word had it that Phil's doctors named it Kobe cause the stone wouldn't pass...

Pretty funny if you ask me.

 

Isn't the question really this: Which backcourt would you prefer, Miller-Francis OR Francis-Mobely?

 

I surely woud hate to see Miller on the Rockets. The guy is a loser, and still needs to be taught how to win.

The same CANNOT be said about Francis, who can be considered a winner.

He will have topped .500 2 out of his 3 seasons in the league, made the playoffs once, and missed the first one with the best ever record to NOT make the playoffs.


Also, we all know the injury troubles from last year.

Meanwhile, I can't wait to see Steve with a better backcourt mate than Mobley. Someone like Derek Anderson, Gary Payton, or Eric Snow.

 

Making the playoffs 1/3 of the time in teh NBA is not a winner. Stevie has a long way to go to move into the NBA's elite. Talent wise he is elite, but he has to CONSISTENTLY get his team to the playoffs then ELEVATE his game once the playoffs start. Not that it won't/can't happen but he's still got a lot to show.

 

maybe Steve can elevate his game this year...and with Yao's help, be able to pull off a HUGE upset in the players...Nuggets/Seatle style.

 

playoffs damnit...NO EDIT.

 

Being a winner is not being in the lottery every year.

The way I see it, Steve has always led his team, when healthy, to playoff-calibre records.

Can you argue with that? Barring last year (the INJURY year), the only other seasons Steve has played, his team has been playoff calibre.

This year, with the addition of so many pieces, and shifting a large part of the offense to Yao, we are still in the playoffs.

It's safe to say he's a winner.

Being a loser, or still having that TAG, is like Abdur Rahim, Andre Miller, and to some extent Elton Brand. Those guys have all switched teams and have lost consistently on talented, and considerably healthy teams.

As for Steve, he's got 45 wins in his first season, then 25 or so wins in his second season (injury year), and is on pace for anything between 41 and 45 wins.

 

Yep 16 teams make the playoffs, you don't see a lot of great players sitting at home for the start of the playoffs. Playoff caliber means nothing. And I don't care that we are in the tough Western conference. Payton and KG have had similar supporting casts and have been constants in the playoffs in the West.

That being said Stevie can prove to the world he ia a great player by getting to and stepping up in the playoffs.

 

Actually, it was Phil Jackson's doctor

 

Just because you don't care that we're in a tough conference doesn't change the fact that we ARE in a MUCH tougher conference and ARE affected by it.

If you're implying that KG and Payton are not winners, then just tell me that straight up so I can leave this conversation.


To be a winner, all you have to do is win constantly. To be a franchise player or superstar, that's when you have to dominate your position during the season, win every year, step up during the playoffs, and have your whole team rely on you.

We're talking about winner, not MVP.

 

I said KG and Payton werre winners because they are constants int eh playoffs and that is why Steve is not in that category. But feel free to leave this conversation if you want

So you're saying all a winner has to do is win? So that makes Robert Horry a much bigger winner than Stevie correct? His team constantly wins more than Stevie's.

Winners do win but most importantly they lead their team and make them better. Getting to the playoffs is not hard to do for a NBA All-Star. Look at the other teams that have not been to the playoffs since our last visit and you will see teams we all view al LOSERS (you know the Cavs, Clippers and company).

Stevie has to get this team to the playoffs we are not in yet we are 1 game ahead of Phoenix, and play well int he playoffs. No he doesn't have to lead us to a win but if we get blown out and he doesn't step up his game then he still has a lot to prove.

 

PS- Something to remember as you justify our lack of playoff experiences the last few years:

Winners track results
Losers make excuses

 

Sane, I don't agree with your labeling "winner" and "loser" by the standard of making the playoffs. You just have to look at the team you are in.

Miller played with two notoriously bad teams: Grizzlies and Clippers (Brand with the Bulls and Clippers). I don't know how anybody can win with those teams.

Look at Kobe without Shaq. They were not playoff caliber. Are you saying that Kobe is not a winner? Look at Payton, he couldn't win with the Sonics this year, and he can't win with the Bucks after the trade. ARe you saying that Payton is not a winner? What about Kidd before he got to the Nets?

The point is, some of the obvious winners aren't or weren't winning because their teams are so bad. In the NBA, you just can't win by yourself. I think Francis is finally realizing this lately.

 

er.... I thought Clippers have a very good team actually.... their players are all considered very talented.... just the way rockets are suppose to be... talented....

Whether or not those talent will show depends on the players.... lately, after all-star break that is, Francis is indeed digging out all our players talent, but Miller.....