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[Relationships] Getting out of a bad long-term one...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Isabel, Jan 16, 2006.

  1. Isabel

    Isabel Member

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    After seeing that "funny situation" thread below, I'm not convinced this board has a whole lot to offer about relationships, but maybe some of those who take them seriously can help.

    You may know the backstory, but I've been with "Ferdinand" my whole adult life. We were married and everything. I don't think it was a good idea - there were always problems and red flags, and I came out of the codependent phase too late after we were already hitched, but I tried to make it work. (We don't have kids.)

    It's gone downhill in the last few years, though, and my heart is just not in it. I guess the single worst thing he did was follow me here and then not work for two whole years... no reason for me to support a healthy man in his 40's who ought to at least be doing something... he has a job now, but there were other patches of unemployment in the past as well. If he followed me somewhere again, would he do the same thing? Also, in general, he's unrealistic and is often selfish and inconsiderate of others' feelings. I just get the general vibe that he's a big baby and he's out for himself.

    I spent way too many of my younger years pouring myself into the relationship like a martyr, just trying to be nicer and seeing what happened. At the many times (before we got hitched) that I didn't think it was working and wanted to leave, he never wanted me to, and I wanted that security too badly. I tried to be committed, do the good grown-up thing, but it just all went downhill and I just don't feel like I can ever have romantic feelings for him or have his children. He has no friends except me. I've been in this out of nothing more than guilt and obligation for a while; we tried counseling and all that, but I feel like he does just enough to keep himself out of trouble. It's true that I found myself starting to get entangled with other guys last year (didn't do the full-fledged cheating thing), but I don't want to leave him for any one person, since that's wrong. I'm putting more distance between myself and everyone now.

    I have the traditional Christian views on marriage, and so does Ferdinand (a diehard Catholic). While my Presbyterian minister says you can get out of bad marriages and be forgiven, and it's true that I don't like being in this situation and don't intend to make a habit of "starter marriages"... I hope it's right. My mom is also very conservative, but she thinks I may need to get out of it just for my own psychological health. I wonder if Ferdinand is emotionally abusive or manipulative, and he does display those traits sometimes, but to be fair I shouldn't put him in with the complete psychos. I know a lot of it is just that he's desperate to keep me (for security I guess - I just don't see true love when he looks at me).

    Anyway, I can't make the background too long or no one will ever read this, so...

    I had this New Year's resolution to come home from Christmas at my mom's and then move out of the house. (Ferdinand and I don't really own anything together - we rent the house and our cars and bank accounts are separate. As far as I'm concerned, he can keep most of the stuff, and the cat.) I almost moved back in September, but realized I'd been doing some stupid things and wanted to get on an emotional even keel first... move when I didn't have any ulterior motives. So, here we are. I made myself apply for an apartment at the beginning of last week. They didn't call back for a while... just as well because I was nervous about what I'd done and how he would react. I thought, well, maybe just as well, maybe I get out of this. Maybe I wasn't meant to move yet. I've tried to step back and keep an open mind, but I can't convince myself that I'm meant to stay with Ferdinand either. We already spend almost all our time apart, by virtue of either his work schedule (well, he lets them push him around and doesn't look for another job) or my choice, since I don't want to be with him anymore.

    I haven't worn his ring in months. If I have to, I tell people that we're semi-separated. I don't... give him marital rights anymore. He's known I've wanted to at least do a trial separation for a long time. It hasn't helped him get used to the idea.

    Well, now it turns out that I was approved for the apartment and they expect me to swing by and pay my rent and pick up my keys. Somehow I missed the "last chance to back out" part. I guess I'm financially committed now. I feel horrible for doing this, and for how he's going to take it. I never wanted to hurt another person like this. Should I, or should I try to back out of moving now? (which would make me look like I was hopelessly waffling, but whatever) If so, how do I tell him? :( He's known I might do it soon. I'm trying to leave him the option of still talking to me or seeing me, just letting me have a little space to sort things out, but he'll be very upset and has even said in the past he thought it would be an "evil" thing to do. Don't worry, I don't think he'll do anything nasty, but I've just never been in a situation where I've broken a promise and gone against someone's wishes like this. I don't mind the idea of living alone. I've spent the last two years of this relationship psyching myself up to end it, and telling myself you can't lose what you never had. I've come to accept a lot of things, including that you don't necessarily get another relationship to jump into.

    If anyone's still here at this point in the thread, and if there's any advice you can give me, thanks. :)

    (and please no quoting "Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover" :) )
     
  2. pradaxpimp

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    Well, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. If its a way to tell him, then do it nicely and somewhere private/public just in case there are any incredibly harsh reactions. Kind of have a plan on what you want to say and don't let him interrupt you, because things will get messy if u guys start arguing. You should give a really delayed option of seeing you again. Contact right away would be terrible because of all the emotional ramifications, but give it like a year or 2, excluding all the divorce court stuff and mandatory confrontations (bad choice of words)

    I'm happy that you've taken a step in the direction you want to go. Cutting Dead weight i guess. Its unfortunate, but the Mona Lisa took one stroke to begin and it ended a masterpiece. I hope that you're happy and safe.
     
  3. chow_yun_fat

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    i've read this 2-3 times before...i thought he was out of your life already??? :confused:
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    I think the only advice you need would be to be strong and go through with it! 2 years is a LONG time, you don't want to lose anymore.

    Maybe it's hard for you because you don't know what you're missing- new freedom, new relationships, the weight of this bad relationship not weighing on you anymore.
     
  5. Xenochimera

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    nobody gets too much love anymore, its high as a mountain, and harder to climb.

    i barely have any romantic relationships, but if i were you, i would have packed a long time ago. he should have known the consequences of his own actions by now, and the truth hurts. while you may feel bad now, it's gona feel a lot worse a little down the road, laying alone at night, wondering what your life could have been if you just had the courage to break off completely. don't leave space for regrets, life goes on, live it before its gone.
     
  6. bejezuz

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    Okay, if you were a guy I'd tell you to crap or get off of the crapper. But you're not here for problem solving, you're here for support. So, you made the right decision. Emotionally it is over, sexually it is over. All that is left is the moving and the divorce. The most painful parts are over, just weather through the ending so that you can start a new beginning.

    Stick to your guns. If you're with a manipulator and you've been codependant before, you probably have a hard time sticking up for yourself. That time is over. You have to take control of this situation, because enough damage is already done.

    Good luck!
     
  7. Fatty FatBastard

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    Leave him a letter:

    "Welcome to Dumpsville! Population - you."

    Seriously, there's no easy way to do it. I think a "Dear John" Letter is fine. Then go to the courthouse and get the divorce papers.

    He'll whine to get you back. Leave it be, and don't give him even the sightest possibility of reconciliation. He'll be better off the sooner he knows it's completely over.
     
  8. BigSherv

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    any got cliffs on this
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Isabel,

    Come on now, you have had this on going issue for a long time....deal with it.

    Be a stand up gal...talk to your husband....and if he decides to stay the same flaky guy.

    Dump him...you deserve better.

    DD
     
  10. Kyakko

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    damn... are these the same people that posted on my thread? all i got was, "you should just hit it!" :D hehe, i wonder what would the response be if she wrote the a thread about our situation instead?

    anyways... you've guys been together for a loooong time. it's hard to just let feelings go. humans are creatures of habbit and we love the things we're use to. my last relationship was a make up break up thing. we'd break up then miss each other cuz we were so use to it... even the arguements. but finally that b&#ch dumped me for good (sorry, i'm still a little bitter).

    you just have to find the strength to listen to your head instead of your heart. but having something you're use to is habbit forming isn't it? i know, i'm on my third "i'll quit smoking" new years resolution.

    i've been reading your threads and i'd much rather see you as a strong confident woman who's in control of her destiny then a naive young girl. anyways, as i told someone once, everything will work out or we get use to it, so what ever choice you make, you'll be fine.
     
  11. Zac D

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    Strength and purpose.

    You know you want out of this relationship; there is no way to do that without hurting the guy. There's probably not even a way to do it that will hurt him less than any other way you can think of. You just have to grit your teeth and do it - it will be hard, but I think very soon it will feel like a humongous weight lifted from you. pradaxpimp's method sounds good.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    This takes me back. I think you are making the right choice. It is not fair to you to stay in this relationship that you do not see a future in, and it is not fair to Ferdi for you to stick around and keep talking/thinking about leaving. It won't be easy, but I think it is for the best for everyone involved. Good luck in your new place, and with this fresh new chapter of your life.
     
  13. krnxsnoopy

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    who is this 'ferdi'?
    hmm....
    anyway does he read this bbs? that would be interesting......
     
  14. Isabel

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    OK... Cliffs Notes version - I've been married to this guy who was being kind of a jerk. Felt guilty about leaving since he wanted me to stay. Decided something had to be done, got me an apartment, now it's too late to back out. Wondering if I should continue moving and, if so, how to deal with the fact that I'm doing something he doesn't like and that hurts him.

    StupidMoniker - wow, I had completely forgotten about making that thread. It explains a lot of his stuff. (and I still tried to give him almost a year's worth of more chances) He always says he's going to straighten up, and may make some small concessions toward it, but it's the inner attitude that I worry about.

    I'm happy to have problem solving or support or both, whatever you've got. (except for wise a$$ remarks) Yes, it has taken me a while; I got over the part about being lonely, etc. a while back, and accepted that I wouldn't have another relationship to jump to. It's mainly guilt and sadness about what it's doing to him. I would be much happier by myself.

    No, he's not on the bbs. I don't expect him to read this thread, but there are only a few things I've said that he didn't already know.
     
  15. jlaw718

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    I usually vow to stay away from these 'relationship' threads because, to be intellectually honest, we're getting a somewhat 'filtered' version of whats going on.

    In other words, I hate to trash someone based solely on events as seen through your prizm. That's why I don't really get the you-can-do-better-so-dump-him approach.

    That's too easy. And it's unfair.

    Having said that, life is only as complex and complicated as we make it. You're not splitting the atom here.

    At the end of the day simply ask yourself if you're truly happy. I don't mean are ya'll arguing about where to order pizza from, but are you truly happy in you're soul?

    Do you have that inner "peace" that comes in knowing you wouldn't want to be anywhere else but where you are? If not, then you know the answer.

    And, if you truly love him, you only want to see him happy and just as fulfilled as you want to be yourself. The only way to do that is to put him AND you in positions to succeed and not tread water in the same stagnant relationship pool that you've both been in for so long (from what I understand).

    And the only way to do that is to move on. And it's so much easier said than done, of course. But, in the end, you will BOTH find yourselves in situations that bring that peace into your lives.

    The type of contentment and solace that only comes when you find - not the perfect person - but the perfect person for 'you'.
     
  16. moestavern19

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    Your good nature is stopping you from letting your common sense convince you this is the right thing to do.

    Take your good nature out on a pier, wail the **** out of it and dump it into the ocean, this is life and I may only be 21, but I've already learned that **** happens, snakes on a plane, etc.

    This relationship died out a while ago and the fumes are a distant memory, face the future, think about yourself as a single entity. Like you said you have nothing attaching you to this situation, free your damn self.
     
  17. Deckard

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    Isabel, you've known what you need to do for a long time. You are taking the steps you think you should have taken long ago. Your doubts now are the last gasps of what kept you in this relationship far beyond what was healthy for you, or for him.

    Make your move. Moving to another city would have been best, in my opinion, but I know you have professional obligations where you are. Make your move, Isabel. When it's behind you, you'll wonder why you waited so long.

    And good luck. :)
     
  18. thadeus

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    Sing him a Color Me Badd song, while subtly humping his leg.
     
  19. Dubious

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    You don't have children, you don't live as one financially, you aren't emotionally supportive of each other, your not even having sex..... you aren't married you are just in some sort of codependent cohabitation. I'm guessing there is some emotional damage in both of you that makes this somehow seem like an accetable situation. From the onesided view we get, it appears he gets his mommy-love from you and you get protection from having to face uncertainty. That's not all that unusual in the real world. You seem unhappy but not unhappy enough to make a change (probably because you can't make yourself hurt Ferd). You have three choices:

    1. Move on - leave and face the unknown for better or worse (we've all said it could be better for Ferd, but he could kill himself, you just don't know) It will take a lot of guts

    2.Accept the status quo as your lot in life and live a little unhappy. It's not uncommon.

    3.Embrace the status quo, love your little Peter Pan and be happy your life isn't really tragic.

    Surely you talked to Ferdinand about this, I mean the guy is not having sex. What does he want to do? (I read the Catholic jib so I know he can just choose to accept the his earthly existence)

    I absolutley choose to love my wife with all my being, well it's not that hard because she's so fine, but it does make life pretty good inside these four walls and is a refuge from all the other crap.
     
  20. Manny Ramirez

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    Isabel,

    Boy do I feel for you! Here I am feeling sorry for myself for going all the way to Greece to see if I had something with this woman I had been talking to for 3 months and being very disappointed that it didn't work out - yet, reading about your situation makes me ashamed for even being upset about it!

    I have told you (like many others) that you should have left Ferdinand a long time ago. I mean you have given him every chance in the world to get his act together and he still never really changes. Do you think he really is a happy person? Do you think he loves himself? The reason why I ask these questions is that I think he brings you down to his level and you definitely do not need that.

    Let me tell you something - this woman I met in Greece was easily the best looking woman I have ever dated. Period. But I knew after the first day, it was not ever going to work because she was too high-maintenance! Finally after I told her I was coming home early, she started opening up to me (which she had not come close to doing all that previous week) and I found out that she had been through some drama. Isabel, I just got the feeling that she was not a happy person. And as much as I wanted things to work out mainly because of all the time and effort I had put into the relationship, I realized that I would have been miserable if I wound up with this person. I don't think I would have ever been able to do enough to make her happy. :eek: And you know what? No one, whether it is me, you, or anyone else needs to spend their life with someone who can't make them happy or a better person inside. So I am thankful to God that things didn't work out and that I was able to get out when I did. Now, it sucks to have to start over to find someone, but that is the way it goes. Just remember that nothing in life that is worth having is going to be easy.

    I think you have known for a very long time that Ferdinand is the type of person who is not making you a better person - that he is not a happy person. It's funny that I have never been married but I have always felt that when 2 people get married that they should fulfill each other. Maybe I have watched "Jerry Maguire" too many times but I do believe that. Ferdinand has not fulfilled you and helped you grow into a better person in a long time. So, when you are struggling about what to do, remember some of the stuff I said. Are you truly being fulfilled being with him? I think you and I both know the answer to that question and also know what you need to do. I know it isn't going to be easy and I sure don't envy you having to do this. But I really think your life will be for the better if you do this. However, there is no halfway here - you have got to go all the way with it. Good luck and I'll be praying and thinking about you.
     

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