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Reds deal Kearns and F. Lopez for relievers

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rocketfat, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. rocketfat

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    Maybe Reds are gonna make a run at Tejada....if the Stros lose the Division or the Wild Card to a team starting Royce Clayton @ SS, they really suck!
     
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    With what? They just traded their most tradeable assests for crap. They essentially just gave up on the season. 80 rbi traded for Royce Clayton and middle relievers? It doesn't make sense.

    On another note, I blame only the Reds brass for what has happened to Ryan Wagner. They should have never brought him up so quickly after being drafted. It seems that it has ruined him. He's now a AAA reliever with 6+ era.
     
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    Horrible trade by Cincinnati. One of these days, Kearns is going to break out.
     
  5. VesceySux

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    Wow. It's like the team suddenly remembered, "Hey! Wait a minute! We're the Reds!"

    It's bad enough they gave up Kearns. But Lopez, too?
     
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    Did Caroll Dawson win the GM for a day promotion the Reds had? That so reeks of CD. Hey will give you 2 pretty good position players for some mediocre MR's, and a poor hitting SS with 11 errors. Oh yeah and will throw in Ryan Wagner to boot.
     
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    I doubt the Reds would have traded in division but Astros should have offered this.

    Adam Everett, Chad Qualls, Mark McLemore, Wade Robinson, and Tip Fairchild.
     
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    they've been saying that for 4 years

    he has been mediocre and hurt his whole career

    they Reds lineup is loaded with good hitters, Kearns was a luxury for them
     
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    Majewski is an avg middle reliever, and is a luxury for a team not going to contend...
     
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    Agreed, but they could have gotten a lot more for him. Power hitting OF's are a premium these days.
     
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    I know we have to be optimistic but aren't the reds contending ? I mean they are ahead of us...Just a thought I know we will come around... :)
     
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    C'mon now, Castor, don't be an idiot/moron/fool/r****d. Bill Bray is a total "glue guy," and Royce Clayton is a community service beast. Plus, Majewski is an all-around likable guy... AND he's well-spoken, to boot! The dividends from this brilliant move won't likely show up on any box score, but, as most GMs know, performance on the field is completely overrated, anyway.
     
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    What? :confused:

    Mediocre? His OPS is about .850 and he's hit 16 homers. That's not mediocre; that is breaking out and he's not hurt. He's a tremendous player right now. The Reds did have depth and could have considered Kearns a luxury - four months ago. But with the trade of Wily Mo Pena, there isn't a stud replacement waiting in the wings. That's why the trade makes no sense.

    Also, Felipe Lopez was another one of those good hitters, and he's gone too.
     
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    Stats = worthless. The fact is, Kearns was a premium, and that means its ok if he's traded for crappy relievers. Duh.
     
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    Depends on what they are trying to do. They have 3 catchers, including 1 that has 12 HRs in 120 at bats. They could move him to first and Dunn to the outfield. They also just got Edwin Encarnocion off the DL, so they have an excess of inflielders. Aurelia could move back to SS now. They also have Freel who's been stuck with no position.

    Ultimately, the move is not good for the long-run. But for this year, their bullpen is a disaster. They get multiple relievers who are pretty good, at possibly very little loss in offense depending on how they shift people around. There are 8 players in the deal (Cinci got 5), so I don't know how the bit players / prospects affect things.
     
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    I agree that they needed bullpen help. But I think they could have gotten better than 5 scrubs from the Nationals for Kearns, Lopez and Wagner.
     
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    A local St. Pius grad no less. Played HS ball with him...deffinatley not a guy that you thought would make it to varsity much less the MLB
     
  18. Major

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    Actually, Dunn already plays the outfield (I thought he moved to 1B after moving Casey), so that doesn't necessarily work. But overall, they had an excess of offensive talent. It will be interesting to see how it all works out.
     
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    His OPS is 3rd on his team, and Griffey and Encarnacion are right there with him.

    Even if you consider that to be more than mediocre by league standards, his last 3 years were definitely nothing more than mediocre.

    I guarantee you that half of a "more than mediocre" season isn't making any Reds' fans forget about the semi faile expectations.
     
  20. CrazyJoeDavola

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    btw ..not justifying the trade necessarily, but Kearns is the past the point of being an untouchable young gem with great expectations
     

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