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Record vs. Winning Teams

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rawool, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. rawool

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    Just read that and was going to post on it too. I remember thinking it before... all year minus the Lakers game we have looked good against the good teams...beating Boston, only just losing to LA minus the injured couple, losing to the Cavs basically because of the refs. It's obvious to all the Rockets play to the level of their opponent which is why we lose to some terrible teams... will this transfer to the playoffs? lets hope so but I would still prefer that home court in the first round...everyone will still be nervous but once we are out of the first round(if we manage it) I think the pressure will lift and if healthy the team will be even more dangerous. Spurs and Lakers are the two teams you wanna avoid... over 7 with a healthy team(big if) we should not lose to the rest of the West imo.
     
  3. Gakatron

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    ..just to add this list proves the fact I have been telling people that the Cavs shouldn't be talked up as a top contender...they really arn't that good against good teams. When you have LBJ its always going to be easier to beat bad teams.
     
  4. Noob Cake

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    ...yup Rockets playing down to competition and losing to scrubby teams, I thought this was a well established fact....
     
  5. flamingdts

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    I rather beat the celtics and lose to the wizards than beat the wizards and lose to the celtics.
     
  6. Gakatron

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    Exactly... plus you don't play the Wizards and Pacers in the playoffs... you play Spurs(beaten), Mavs(beat), Hornets(beat), Suns(beat), Jazz(beat), Nuggets(beat)
     
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    This is very encouraging news.

    Surprised to see the Spurs in there as well, given their injury bouts.
     
  8. Fullcourt

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    Guess this shows that we tend to play to level of our competition.
     
  9. Shaud

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    Yeah but to get to the playoffs you need to beat teams like the Wizards.
     
  10. blender

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    By subtraction from total records, this is how the same six teams fared against opponents with losing records:

    Cavaliers 26-2 (.929) overall:34-8
    Lakers 22-2(.917) overall: 34-8
    Magic 22-3 (.880) overall: 33-10
    Celtics 22-4 (.846) overall: 36-9
    Spurs 20-5 (.800) overall: 29-13
    Rockets 16-10 (.615) overall: 27-17

    We've done the worst by far.
     
  11. Gakatron

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    Yes but we do. What I mean is the odd loss to one is better than always beating them and not being able to beat the good teams.
     
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    I noticed it before. I said then that the rockets just looked like what Utah was. Utah always can beat good team and lose to bad team last few years. That's how Rockets had HCA last two years over them. Rockets used to beat worse team badly. in JVG last tear, they had 20+ 20+ points games. They played their best every game even though they were not top-level talents.

    By the way, it Utah fall into #8 seeds, I think they had large chance to upset Lakers. Utah is a really good team.
     
  13. Easy

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    I don't know what he meant by "winning records." Did he mean winning records when they played the team?

    If he meant winning records NOW, then the Rockets are not as good as he showed (still not too bad). We are 9-8 against the 8 winning teams in the West, and 5-3 against the 6 winning teams in the East.
     
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    Not sure where does ESPN get the 11-7 record against teams that have a record of 0.500 or better.

    There are to methods to calculate how many teams you beat that had a record of 0.500 or above:

    METHOD 1. Look at the current rankings and see how many teams the Houston Rockets beat that contain a record of 0.500 or above. In this method the Houston Rockets are 13-11. The breakdown is as follows:

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    [FONT=Courier New][U][B]Losses[/u]                                            [U]Wins[/B][/U]
    
     1) Nov.  4 - Boston                               1) Oct. 30 - @Dallas
     2) Nov.  6 - @Portland                            2) Nov. 12 - @Phoenix
     3) Nov.  9 - @LALakers                            3) Nov. 22 - @Orlando
     4) Nov. 14 - @San Antonio                         4) Nov. 24 - @Miami
     5) Nov. 19 - Dallas                               5) Nov. 29 - San Antonio
     6) Nov. 30 - @Denver                              6) Nov. 15 - New Orleans
     7) Dec. 23 - @Cleveland                           7) Dec.  9 - Atlanta
     8) Dec. 26 - @New Orleans                         8) Dec. 16 - Denver
     9) Jan.  3 - @Atlanta                             9) Dec. 27 - Utah
    10) Jan.  6 - @Philadelphia                       10) Jan.  7 - @Boston
    11) Jan. 13 - LA Lakers                           11) Jan. 17 - Miami
                                                      12) Jan. 19 - Denver
                                                      13) Jan. 21 - Utah[/FONT]
    
    
    METHOD 2. The NBA.com method uses the opposing team's record at the time the game occured. Note that the first game of the season counts as if you are playing against a 0.500 or above team. In this method the Houston Rockets are 15-7.

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    [FONT=Courier New][U][B]Losses[/u]                                            [U]Wins[/B][/U]
    
     1) Nov.  4 - Boston                               1) Oct. 29 - Memphis
     2) Nov.  9 - @LALakers                            2) Oct. 30 - @Dallas 
     3) Nov. 30 - @Denver                              3) Nov. 12 - @Phoenix
     4) Dec. 23 - @Cleveland                           4) Nov. 15 - New Orleans
     5) Dec. 26 - @New Orleans                         5) Nov. 22 - @Orlando
     6) Jan.  3 - @Atlanta                             6) Nov. 24 - @Miami
     7) Jan. 13 - LA Lakers                            7) Nov. 29 - San Antonio
                                                       8) Dec.  9 - Atlanta
                                                       9) Dec. 16 - Denver
                                                      10) Dec. 22 - @New Jersey
                                                      11) Dec. 27 - Utah
                                                      12) Jan.  7 - @Boston
                                                      13) Jan. 17 - Miami
                                                      14) Jan. 19 - Denver
                                                      15) Jan. 21 - Utah
    [/font]
    

    METHOD 1 is a temporary record as it carries the most weight at the end of the season because some teams could fall or go above 0.500. Obviously, this metric could exclude quality wins if an injury occurs and a team falls below the 0.500 mark.

    METHOD 2 is back-ended metric and it converges into METHOD 1 in the games towards the end of the season. Obviously, this metric could include non quality wins as there could be many bad teams early in the season that have a record above 0.500 but had an easy schedule.

    Therefore, both methods have their flaws but I think that METHOD 1 is more representative of teams in the hunt for the playoffs.

    So with that said, I am curious where did ESPN get their numbers from...maybe I will email them.
     
  15. tonyrox

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    Either way, over the next 16 games, we only play 3 teams with winning records (Dallas, Portland, and Cleveland) and all of those games are at home! We only have 2 sets of back-to-back games and we even get 6 days off at one point. Feb should be a fun month and a chance for us to build on our rotations.

    Lets go streaking!!
     
  16. trueroxfan

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    it should be better, : /
     

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