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Rebels Execute 49 Iraqi Troops, Kill U.S. Diplomat...

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  1. KingCheetah

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    Police said insurgents disguised as police had set up a checkpoint and stopped the buses. They forced them to leave the buses and lie face down on the tarmac before shooting them.

    "We found them arranged in groups of 12 with bullets in the head," Iraqi National Guard officer Jassim Saadi told Reuters television in the town of Mandali, near the Iranian border, where the bodies were brought after the ambush.

    "They were all executed, we found them executed," Interior Ministry spokesman Adnan Abdul-Rahman said.

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    Rebels 'Execute' 49 Iraqi Troops, Kill U.S. Diplomat

    BAQUBA, Iraq (Reuters) - Rebels killed 49 unarmed army recruits in one of the bloodiest attacks on Iraq's nascent security forces and, in a separate attack Sunday, killed a U.S. diplomat in a mortar strike near Baghdad airport.

    The bodies of 37 recruits shot dead on a road northeast of Baghdad were found Saturday and 12 were discovered Sunday.

    "They were all executed, we found them executed," Interior Ministry spokesman Adnan Abdul-Rahman said.

    The attack was another blow to the efforts of the interim government to rebuild Iraqi security forces to tackle a raging insurgency that U.S.-led forces have failed to quell.

    "We found them arranged in groups of 12 with bullets in the head," Iraqi National Guard officer Jassim Saadi told Reuters television in the town of Mandali, near the Iranian border, where the bodies were brought after the ambush.

    The bodies, in torn and bloodstained civilian clothes, were taken in the back of trucks to a National Guard base in Mandali, where they were laid out in rows. Some bystanders wept.

    The recruits, based at Kirkush, 90 km (55 miles) northeast of Baghdad, had been heading for home leave in three minibuses when they were ambushed at about 8 p.m. (1700 GMT) Saturday.

    Police said insurgents disguised as police had set up a checkpoint and stopped the buses. They forced them to leave the buses and lie face down on the tarmac before shooting them.

    Villagers heard the gunfire, found the bodies and called police. A dozen recruits who tried to flee were also shot. Their bodies were found Sunday. The minibuses were burned.

    A senior security official, who asked not to be named, said most of the soldiers had been from poor families in the mainly Shi'ite cities of Basra, Amara and Nassiriya in southern Iraq.

    "It appears that they were ambushed by a large, well-organized force with good intelligence," the source said.

    Insurgents have frequently targeted Iraqis seen as cooperating with the U.S. military or the interim government.

    The headless body of an unidentified man in a business suit was found Sunday with feet tied, floating in the Tigris River near the northern city of Kirkuk, police said.

    The body was the fourth to be recovered from the area in the past two months. The other three appeared to have been Iraqis working with U.S. forces, police said.

    Iraqi security forces have taken a more visible role in counter-insurgency operations in recent months and the U.S.- backed government sees them as a key weapon in its drive to win back control of all rebel areas before elections in January.

    Earlier this month gunmen ambushed a minibus carrying police back from training in Jordan and killed all nine occupants in an attack south of Baghdad. Suicide bombings have killed hundreds of army, police and National Guard recruits in recent months.

    U.S. DIPLOMAT KILLED

    A U.S. embassy spokesman said a diplomatic security officer had been killed by "indirect fire" about 5 a.m. on Sunday at Camp Victory, a sprawling U.S. military headquarters near the airport which comes under frequent rebel attack.

    "I mourn the loss of one of our own today in Baghdad. Assistant Regional Security Officer Ed Seitz... was a brave American, dedicated to his country," Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said in a statement.

    Seitz was the first American diplomat known to have been killed in Iraq since last year's U.S.-led invasion.

    U.S. warplanes pounded targets in Falluja, the toughest guerrilla stronghold, Sunday, killing five people, witnesses said. Hospital officials said the dead were civilians.

    The U.S. military said a "precision" strike had destroyed a known enemy command and control post in northern Falluja.

    U.S. forces have stepped up air strikes and other attacks in the city west of Baghdad in a campaign they say is aimed at insurgents and foreign fighters led by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has a $25 million U.S. bounty on his head.

    Falluja residents say most of the air raid victims are civilians and deny any knowledge of Zarqawi.

    Insurgent commanders in Falluja said they were not holding foreign hostage Margaret Hassan and condemned her kidnapping.

    "This woman works for a humanitarian organization. She should not have been kidnapped," said the emir, or commander, of one guerrilla group, who asked not to be named.

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  2. DaDakota

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    Man,

    They need to find these thugs, execute them and bath them in pigs blood and bury them that way.

    DD
     
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    One question: Why were 49-50 recruits being transported together unarmed? Maybe they had a couple guys riding shotgun but from the reports I saw it said the recruits were being transported unarmed.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    I agree with you ~ those buses couldn't have been bigger targets so why wasn't there some support for them...
     
  5. Rocket River

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    I understand the sentiment
    but the Pigs blood thing i am lost

    I think they should just be buried alive
    and call it a day

    Rocket River
     
  6. thumbs

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    DaDakota and Rocket River, you could compromise by first bathing them in pig's blood and then burying them alive. Unfortunately, vengeful cruelty is never a good solution. IMO, we would be somewhat wiser in locating them, trying them in a court of law, and, if guilty, turning them over to the families of the men they executed.
     
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    Umm...it amazes me how little protection is given to Iraqi recruits. I guess there just isn't enough manpower to give them armed escorts when they travel in mini-buses or in groups? Every day...there is some number of Iraqi recruits being slaughtered. We need to do more to protect these people because they obviously cannot protect themselves. I'm sick and tired of hearing on a daily basis that Iraqi recruits have been slaughtered. Their the ones paying the price. We need to do more to protect them.

    I can't wait for us to move on Falluja. I guess we have to wait for Ramadan to end or something? We better have a f*cking good plan to where these terrorists don't scoot away into smaller outlying areas and regroup.

    The largest price paid for this war is by the Iraqis themselves. If you think about all the Iraqis that have died, then it is really sobering. I don't think Bush was sitting around thinking about the Iraqi price when he was deliberating about going to war amongst his trumped up intel. What do we care? It doesn't seem like we do. I guess the thinking is the Iraqis themselves are expendable in the process.
     
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    It sure would be nice if we could actually fight this war instead of p***y-footing around for political reasons. Hopefully, after Bush wins, we can do what needs to be done instead of trying to pacify the pro-war and anti-war crowd all at the same time.
     
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    Where to even start with this post... :eek:
     
  10. Kyakko

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    for reasons on why we're losing the war:

    read articals from this guy. he's a war nutcase but he's got some very inciteful views on iraq and other wars.

    iraq part I

    part II
     
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    This is horrible. I hope whoever did this will be brought to justice.
     
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    This execution is disturbing. Stuff like this happens in war. This is the reason why most religious leaders opposed the war. Bad things happen once you unleash the dogs of war.

    We all know that US sniper fire and bombing in a war is so much more moral than execution. Even if the bombing kills tends of thosands of innocents. One can always hope that in a miracle innocents aren't killed, so the intent is pure and good. Same with Israelis who shoot missiles into crowded apartment complexes to get one Hamas member. Even if 99% of the time innocents are killed, they have the hope, however unrealistic that this time innocents will be spared so they can't be compared to a suicide bomber.

    I saw a ABC news story in which our troops in a sort of office atmosphere were wondering around with cups of coffee calmly looking at screens and deciding whether to shoot a missile at a group of young Iraqi men miles away. Some of whom they believed were in the resistance, some of whom were unknown. As we know sometimes they go for it. So moral. Back for another cup of coffee and a donut. So moral; so normal day at the office.

    Sending troops 7000 or however miles based on deceptions to kill and occupy is so much more noble and moral than the Iraqi resistance , who even if you believe they are misguided are fighting in their home town for what they think is their freedom from foreign occupation.

    Why? As Bush would say: we love freedom, goodness and Jesus. They hate freedom, goodness and Jesus. What more is there to say? Our killing is godly theirs is immoral. So simple really.
     
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    It is incorrect to even call it an execution. It was cold-blooded murder. If it had been something in a regular war, they would have been prisoners, they had already surrendered, were lying on the floor, and then got murdered.

    To relativize it by saying "stuff like this happens in a war" is just factually incorrect.
     
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    But it just did.
     
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    I wonder what the dead Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Agnostics and Atheists from 9/11 would say about this?

    Where do you find your support that the US views this as some kind of Holy War.... and against whom?
     
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    Didn't someone here mention that no Muslims would be allowed in heaven if they were "exposed" to pig blood.
     
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    Ding ding ding !!

    DD
     
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    My question is this - how is the insurgent managing to get so much good to great intelligence? No one has touched on this so far. Are there spies giving the insurgents inteligence support? Those insurgents didn't just show up at the check point and I bet the ruling authority did not alert anyone that those recruits will be traveling back in those buses.
     
  19. KingCheetah

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    They obviously knew ahead of time that a major target would be coming through. Also how does a fake checkpoint go unnoticed ~ there can't be that many major roadways?
     
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    They undermined the recruits. Some of the recruits were actually spies for the insurgents. Those guys knew where the buses would go and then later helped to kill the other recruits.
     

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