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Reasons why Daryl Morey is a better GM then you

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Yao#1, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    man, dawson getting swift and alston, an athletic pf and pass first point guard is all we need. hello championship.

    wait a minute, its 2007.

    lets let this guy come over first and get his feet wet before we declare morey the best gm in the nba.
     
  2. TheBornLoser

    TheBornLoser Contributing Member

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    Well, if you guys want to see him getting his feet wet before declaring him the best GM in the NBA, then you guys should play ball and not crucify him and want him dead before he gets his feet wet as half of this board was doing on draft night.
     
  3. TheBornLoser

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    I forgot to say...

    Why hasn't Rockets-R-Us made any comments on the Scola trade or on Morey's moves?

    I thought he was sure that Morey would suck big time as a GM.
     
  4. BBall Scientist

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    SamFisher you want to see Spanoulis' projected Hollinger numbers?


    Here they are, compare them to Scola why don't you, Scola's are posted by durvasa. Maybe you can learn something from posters like me and durvasa. Because the JVG era is over, the CD era is over, you better learn this stuff because Morey is a Moneyball coach, and actually although it hasn't been said here, Adelman was a Moneyball coach in Sacramento.

    BTW, Spain was considered the top league outside of NBA up until 2005, when Greece supplanted it. So Scola did this in the 2nd rated league and Spanoulis in the first rated league.

    Scola's projected NBA rookie Hollinger numbers based on 40 minutes of playing time (I did the complete calculation):

    Luis Scola 2.07m (6-9 1/2) 105kg (233 pounds) PF

    2006-2007 Spain and Euroleague (rated #2 currently)

    Games = 37 (so 37 game sample size)

    Scola Hollinger rookie NBA numbers per 40 minutes =

    40.0 MPG
    17.9 PPG
    10.3 RPG
    4.3 APG
    50.9% FG%
    0.00% 3PT%
    71.8% FT%
    0.8 BPG
    1.9 SPG
    2.8 TOPG



    Spanoulis' projected NBA rookie Hollinger numbers based on 40 minutes of playing time (I did the complete calculation):

    Vassilis Spanoulis 1.93m (6-4) 92kg (203 pounds) PG

    2006-2007 Greece and Euroleague (rated #1 currently)

    Games = 57 (so 57 game sample size 20 more than Scola)

    Spanoulis Hollinger rookie NBA numbers per 40 minutes =

    40.0 MPG
    13.3 PPG
    3.1 RPG
    6.2 APG
    42.7% FG%
    32.2% 3PT%
    78.0% FT%
    0.4 BPG
    1.6 SPG
    4.0 TOPG


    Those are the COMPLETE Hollinger rookie projection numbers translations, never before posted on this forum.

    Now keep in mind that according to Kelly Dywer:

    "Off the top of my head, Hollinger's translated stats have been pretty much spot on for Nocioni, Oberto, Udrih, Varejao, and some others I can't remember. The ones that are off are the guys that don't get consistent (even 12 mpg) playing time to have the sample size count, like Maceo Baston in Indiana.


    Now, SamFisher according to the MONEYBALL stats like Hollinger that I, Hollinger, Morey, durvasa use as well as other stats, this says Spanoulis would have done,

    13 points
    6 assists
    3 rebounds
    2 steals
    4 turnovers

    a game at 40 minutes of playing time

    while shooting

    43% FG
    32% 3PT FG
    78% FT

    based on getting substantial playing time.

    While Scola translates at

    18 points
    10 rebounds
    4 assists
    1 block
    2 steals

    51% FG
    72% FT

    based on high PT



    Just in case you don't get it SamFisher,


    Alston versus Spanoulis =

    Spanoulis per 40 minutes (as a ROOKIE):

    40.0 MPG
    13.3 PPG (Alston = 14.3)
    3.1 RPG (Alston = 3.7)
    6.2 APG (Alston = 5.8)
    42.7% FG% (Alston = 37.5)
    32.2% 3PT% (Alston = 36.3)
    78.0% FT% (Alston = 73.4)
    0.4 BPG (Alston = 0.1)
    1.6 SPG (Alston = 1.7)
    4.0 TOPG (Alston = 2.3)

    Alston per 40 minutes (as a NINTH YEAR PLAYER):

    40.0 MPG
    14.3 PPG (Spanoulis = 13.3)
    3.7 RPG (Spanoulis = 3.1)
    5.8 APG (Spanoulis = 6.2)
    37.5% FG% (Spanoulis = 42.7)
    36.3% 3PT% (Spanoulis = 32.2)
    73.4% FT% (Spanoulis = 78.0)
    0.1 BPG (Spanoulis = 0.4)
    1.7 SPG (Spanoulis = 1.6)
    2.3 TOPG (Spanoulis = 4.0)

    Spanoulis is better at 4 categories and Alston is better at 5 categories.

    Basically in reality, Alston is better at ONLY 3 point shooting and turnovers, Spanoulis is better or equal at all other facets of the game.

    Alston = NINTH YEAR player, Spanoulis = ROOKIE.

    Yet you constantly claim that Spanoulis "has no NBA talent."

    Well if this is true, then based on Hollinger and Moneyball (which is what our GM and coach uses) Alston is the worst starting point guard in NBA HISTORY. And also we should just assume that at best Scola will be backing up Chuck Hayes. So this "splash" move is the most overrated trade in history according SamFisher's knowledge of how Moneyball stats work.

    This according to the BBall knowledge that spews from the great SamFisher.
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    Jesus,any type of stats is now known as "moneyball".

    I highly doubt Morey does his work by subscribing to ESPN insider and use Hollingers numbers any more than John Paxson does his drafts by looking at draftexpress.com.

    Why does everyone think they got Morey's method pegged?
     
  6. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN
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    Who is proclaiming Morey to be the best GM in the NBA? As for myself, I only declared that Morey is smarter than us! And so far, he's proving to be just that. I haven't seen a single person declare Morey to be the best GM in the NBA yet though.
     
  7. durvasa

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    Just to illustrate, Morey apparently likes Aaron Brooks a lot, while Hollinger's projections aren't very high for him.
     
  8. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN
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    What? You mean to tell me that isn't what he taught his students to do at MIT? :D
     
  9. ico4498

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    hindsight makes me look so much smarter ... :p

    while my initial impressions are favorable, i'll have a solid take in a few months. :D
     
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    Because stats alone say Fazekas > Landry.

    Stats plus Moneyball ANALYSIS say Landry > Fazekas.
     
  11. eaglewu

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    Could anyone tell me why use "then" instead of "than".
    :confused:

    I am thinking it is more polite, am I right?

    thank you.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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    Bball Scientist,

    You are going to get in trouble posting the same thing over and over, trust me on this.....

    And if you don't like Sam Fisher calling you names, then you don't call him out in your post, that seems like you are asking for him to come in and continue a tired old debate.

    If you stand over the model of the town and shout "beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, BEETLEJUICE", don't whine when he shows up.

    DD
     
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    I could solve him very easily. Notice he ONLY chooses to argue on Spanoulis. Because he KNEW JVG would not play him and that Spanoulis would bolt.

    I could debate every player on the roster with him and using the same exact criteria as Spanoulis debate everyone would know I am correct, SamFisher for example won't take the gamble on calling out Scola because he knows Adelman will play him.

    I'm not an idiot.
     
  14. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Sam Fisher is a lawyer by trade, so if he didn't argue all day long, he wouldn't know what to do with himself.
     
  15. denniscd

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    billy is gone. the threads about him should be under cease and desist until they play here in the preseason. woulda coulda shoulda isnt going to bring billy back. we must all admit, we really have no idea if he could play in the nba and never will know.

    but morey is doing a top 5 job in the nba as a gm...hes been great
     
  16. anon3803

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    No . . . "than" is not the same as "then"

    "Then" infers a secondary effect or step.
    If we can't sign Deke, then Butler will be our backup Center.
    Morey first upgraded at PG, then he made upgrades at PF.

    "Than" is used in comparisons.
    Examples:
    Rafer Alston's shooting is worse than Steve Francis' shooting.
    I understand the English language better than you. ;)
     
  17. Navman

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    Can't we spend our time in better ways than this??
     
  18. zforrest

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    Good thread, elucidating
     
  19. BEXCELANT

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    Holy Crap! OWNED! :eek:
     
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    well I hope a guy getting paid to be a gm is a better gm than me.
     

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