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[realgm.com]If Cavs Match Varejao, Gooden Will Be Traded?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by crash5179, Jul 8, 2007.

  1. crash5179

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    http://www.news-herald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18560441&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21848&rfi=6

    So here is the 1st bit of news that I have heard regarding Gooden actually being traded. I am not thrilled at the prospect of Gooden as our long term solution but I could see him filling in for a year until a better solution worked its way out. Mabybe if he excedes expectations he stays even longer.

    This could be a trade tailor made for Cleavland and Houston:

    Rafer Alston, Bob Sura, V-Span

    for

    Drew Gooden, Damon Jones

    This would create substantial cap relief for Cleavland while sending Gooden to the other conference. Cleavland also gets their starting point guard who is better than anyone else they have on their roster. He also does most of his scoring from beyond the arc which appears to be something the Cavs like.

    As for Houston you get a chance to unload some of your point guard glut. You get a one year flyer on a veteran PF that has a lot of athletic talent and is going to be the best of any possibility for this year. If he does not excede or meet expactions we only have him for one year.

    We can now offer as much of our MLE that we want to offer to Amir Johnson. Would Detroit match an almost full MLE offer? Does Amir have a legit chance to turn into a legit starter?

    Trading for Gooden and signing Amir Johnson could give us the best of both worlds. A legit starter for this season and a potential stud for the future.

    If next year we want to get rid of Gooden we could possibly get something back in the form of a sign and trade as well. Also, if Detroit has knows that we are going to sign Amir to a contract that they are not willing to match we might be able to do a sign and trade with them now.
     
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    how do you propose the rockets get rid of damon jones? two seasons is two seasons too many.
     
  3. crash5179

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    I don't supose anything. Damon Jones is a salery dump the Cavs would be looking for IMO to make the deal work. We eat the damn salery in order to make the deal work. In the mean time he is an emergency PG and next year his expiring contract may be a trade comodity.

    As a plus side, with Alston gone we now have a rotation spot open for Steve Francis if he wants to come to Houston after Portland buys out his contract.
     
  4. Barkley

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    I wanted to post it earlier. Wel I always say Gooden is a solid Power Forward. So if Cavs want to trade him we should be interest. He's not maybe so athletic but he can rebound, he can make jumpers, play on the low post. I say it again: he's very good player. ANd if Rockets sing him I will be very happy

    Come on Morey!
     
  5. JayZ750

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    I'd definitely like these moves. I still don't really know who Amir Johnson is (I mean, I know who he is as much as the next fan, but he seems to be getting a lot of hype and who knows what he can do), but I like the ideas.

    PG: James, Brooks, Head
    SG: T-Mac, Head, Bonzi
    SF: Battier, Bonzi, T-Mac
    PF: Gooden, Hayes, Johnson
    C: Yao, Johnson, Deke
     
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    Wow. This actually seems doable and Gooden starting at PF would be a huge upgrade for this team. I would sleep well with this team possessing a Gooden/Hayes combo at PF on opening night.
     
  7. Cook1ez

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    Just the other day i was wondering how we can get Gooden... Thanks for making this thread!

    We should get him,fast,before anyone else does too. Plus he's played with Tmac in orlando, so thats a little sidekicker? LOL nvm that.
    GET GOODEN
     
  8. nyquil82

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    I always thought Gooden was a young version of an old Juan Howard. Note how I didn't say a young Juan Howard.
     
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    Correct me if im wrong,but isn't it Juwan Howard?
     
  10. Rocketrock

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    Great trade. But I won't gamble the whole MLE on Amir. And remember Francis won't come here for free. Clippers clearly will offer their full MLE for him. To be competitive we at least should offer part of MLE for him. So, I would split the MLE between Francis, Amir and Candry (like the deal Novak got last year), then spent a LLE on a veteran big man.
     
  11. daddy cool

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    Gooden would fit in well because of his ability to hit that elbow jumper and set screens and get guy's open. Gooden is a willing screen setter, he doesn't mind not getting the ball he will concentrate on setting the screen and if he has his oppurtunity to shoot he will make that 15 ft jump shot regularly. His passing will come and by him being in the system and coached by adelman he will become a smarter passer and really concentrate on making plays better to which his play making skills will evolve and his B-Ball IQ will improve. Defensively he isn't terrible but he can learn to play better defense by committe playing with the rockets. He is a excellent offensive rebounder and good team player to add to his positives.
     
  12. prv1981

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    So where are jl3 novak and landry on ur depth chart?
     
  13. krosfyah

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    Gooden to me is EXACTLY like Juwan but not as good a scorer.

    Juwan Career: 16.1/7.1 (including the 3 years in HOU that killed his averages)
    Gooden Career: 12.1/7.9

    Career blocks per Game:

    Juwan: .3
    Gooden: .4

    C'mon. Everybody hated Juwan here. Anybody that thinks Gooden is "perfect" is suffering from a severe case of GRASS IS GREENER.

    That said, I didn't hate Juwan and I wouldn't hate Gooden. If you can pick up Gooden in exchange for Rafer, you gotta pull the trigger given our other options ...which is currently Chuck Hayes starting with Chuck Hayes coming off the bench.
     
  14. crash5179

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    The great thing about trading for Gooden is that he only has 1 year left on his contract. We could try him out for the year and while we are at it we could sign Amir Johnson or just let Carl Landry audition for the spot. Worse case scenario is that Gooden does not work out and we get to drop his salery off of our books next summer. If all works out we could cover the position this year while finding out who our future PF is going to be.
     
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    Not only that, but both Gooden and Juwan essentially do the same thing on the court, which was why he struggled in Orlando and was eventually traded after Juwan came over, because Juwan ate up his minutes and he really couldn't get it done more consistently than Juwan did in his last "good" season.

    The one thing that Gooden has over Juwan is athleticism though. So who knows, he might work out here. Even if he doesn't blossom, well at least he won't perform worse than Juwan, who really didn't do all that badly, did.
     
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    I think he has 2 years left on his deal.

    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm
     
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    If we get Gooden I would be estatic. However, the realistic chances of the Cav's trading him away are about 10 percent irregardless of what that articles says.
     
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    One thing that worries me about Gooden a bit is that from this it seems like the same way he exited Memphis and Orlando if this is true coming from Cleveland. Like all 3 teams didn't really want him anymore. Memphis and Orlando seemed to have the attitude of good he's gone now, and now it almost sounds like Cleveland is just hoping someone will want him.

    I wonder if he has a little bit of the Stro disease?
     
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    If we could trade salary cap fodder (Spanoulis, Sura) and surplus guards (Lucas? Head?) for Gooden I think it would be a great trade. Gooden has not fulfilled the expectations of the 4th pick, but he's a decent post player, is athletic, can hit the midrange shot, and plays decent defense. A PF rotation of Gooden/Hayes/Landry would be very serviceable.

    I don't know how much Cleveland needs to dump salary though, maybe we need to take on Damon Jones to get them to do the deal.
     
  20. crash5179

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    Just my oppinion but I think Cle would want a PG in return and by PG I don't mean John Lucas. I would mutch rather trade Rafer than Head that is for sure, but if the Cavs wanted Lucas I would have no problem with that.
     

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