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Rate the players in the motion offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by badgerfan, Jan 26, 2009.

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  1. badgerfan

    badgerfan Member

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    Alston - 7
    Play's picked up considerably in the last couple of games. Motion offense a good fit for him? Needs to limit his shots and improve his shot selection.
    Artest - 6.5
    Black hole syndrome, getting better though. Shows signs of being able to control his bad habits and work within the offense.
    Barry - 9
    He was born to play the motion offense. One of the oldest guys on the court and he never stops moving.
    Battier - 7
    Not enough movement without the ball, too fond of parking himself out in three point land. More than willing to pass though.
    Brooks - 7
    Still learning 1) the offense and 2) how to be a real point guard. His speed kills though and his passing is way above average.
    Hayes - 8
    Think about it. He gets himself open underneath the basket. Maybe that's because the defense is sagging off from him but the end result is the same. More than willing to pass, has had some nifty assists. When he screws up it's because he's too ambitious in his passing and he's trying to be too fancy.
    Landry - 7
    If he gets the ball he's going to hang onto it and shoot. Gets a 7 because he moves well without the ball and gets himself open shots.
    McGrady - 6
    See Artest. Shares the ball sometimes, turns into a black hole on other possessions so it's tough to tell if he's making progress.
    Scola - 7
    See Landry.
    Wafer - 8
    Does an okay job of movingl without the ball, scores high primarily because he can slash to the basket if he doesn't want to shoot from outside. Average passer.
    Yao - 7
    Gotten a lot better over the last 3 or 4 games. Recently he's been passing the ball immediately once he gets it if he doesn't like his position, regardless of whether he's in the low post or not.
     
  2. FLASH21

    FLASH21 Heart O' Champs

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    No hate on your thread....

    But are we starting the rate, rank, and appreciate trend? ;)
     
  3. code_red

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    I don't know why Artest isn't very good at the motion offense.

    Artest has played under Adelman before for several years in Sacramento. Adelman knew the player he was getting when we traded for Artest.

    The offense grinds to a halt when Artest decides to dribble, dribble, and dribble.
     
  4. Noob Cake

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    Barry is our best motion player.

    Landry or Hayes has to be the worst.
     
  5. henGoOink

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    yeah tmac does better than hayes.. :eek:
     
  6. Hayesfan

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    I don't know if I would rate anyone as high as the op, but the motion offense is more than just shooting.

    Tmac hasn't shown that he can work consistently within the system.

    The group of players that runs it the best on the court are the non-star players... carl, chuck, barry, rafer, shane, wafer, ab and scola.

    You all have to realize it's more about movement and passing than it is about iso and then pass off or shoot.

    Just because a player is more talented doesn't mean that he's doing the best on the offensive end.

    Tmac looked a bit better in the offense last night, but he's still standing around.

    Ron has a tendency to get frustrated with it because he's not getting the ball and call plays for himself.

    Yao does what he's asked to do but obviously he can't cut as fast as the others because of his size. Though I have to say he's been doing a great job at waiting for screens and working across the lane to get better position on the post as we swing it.

    When the basis of an offense is to set screens or cut and you stand out at the three point line 90% of the time or call iso plays for yourself, you aren't running the offense.
     
  7. Chronz

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    Thats because he was basically able to play the 4 with Brad Miller stretching out opposing teams bigs away from the basket. Artest in Houston doesnt see the same kind of spacing, I think he could stand to improve by leaps and bounds but dont expect the Sacto Artest.
     
  8. The_Yoyo

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    i think you have scola too low in your rating system i think he along with barry are our smartest players on the team regarding movement and spacing he always finds the open spot, knows when to roll or cut and how to get open.
     
  9. Angkor Wat

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    We aren't running a full motion offense anyways. More of a hybrid system. When we have a low post presence, we usually run it through Yao or recently, Scola. With no Yao, we sometimes run the high post offense through T-Mac. With no real goto guy, that is when you see more of a Adleman offense.
     
  10. durvasa

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    It's hard to give a high rating to anyone, considering how much we've struggled running it. Here are my thoughts on some (not all) of the players:

    Barry is a natural in this offense, because of his basketball IQ. He's a good ball-handler, he moves the ball well on the perimeter, and he's very good passing off the dribble (and it will be a "no look" about 60% of the time). Really the only knock is he doesn't get much separation on his cuts. 8/10

    Battier sticks to the game plan, moves the ball, gets to his spots like he's supposed to. But he's really conservative, and he won't "create" many scoring opportunities on his own. 6/10

    Yao is a fantastic low post option who'll draw the double teams, and pass out of them effectively. He's good at passing out and reposting. Does not pass well when facing the basket. He's a big body though, so you can run players around him, do a hand-off, and they'll often have open shots. 5/10

    Scola is a great roller on PnR, because he can hit the midrange jumper or find seams to the basket. I haven't seen him used much as a passer on the high post, probably because he's typically playing most of his minutes alongside Yao (which means very infrequent double high post sets). He's easily our best big when it comes to running the floor, and that can lead to some early offense opportunities and extra "motion". 7/10

    Landry's best attribute on offense is rebounding and finishing in the lane. He's a decent option for running a midpost ISO. He works pretty well operating in the high post because he's a triple threat -- a solid jumper, a quick first step, and an acceptable passer. 6/10

    Hayes might actually be our best passer out of the high post. He's a guy who'll chase down offensive boards away from the basket, but he doesn't have Landry's ability to rise up over people close to the basket and get the board. He's a good screen setter, but he isn't a good option for receiving the ball on the roll due to his lack of scoring skills. He may be our best outlet passer off the defensive board. 5/10

    McGrady is our best at running the PnR (though Rafer has been impressive in this regard the last few games). But he's a ball stopper, he doesn't move well without the ball, and he doesn't run in transition. He can be very effective at drawing defenses and delivering to wide open players, but sometimes the offense as a whole will run smoother if he gives it up more quickly. 4/10
     
  11. joesr

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    Agree with Barry

    Agree with Landry

    Disagree with Hayes

    Hayes (while not an offensive play at all) will not stop moving. On top of that he will set excellent screens which usually follows with a basket. If your talking about running plays and continous movement and not skills then Hayes does his job and does it better then more then half the team easily.

    Tmac at todays date is easily one of the bottoms guys. RA and AB are easily near the top following BB. Scola and Shane following shortly behind them.
     

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