It happens at every trade deadline...On every offseason... People on this board become overly attached to players. The loss of Carl was sad but it brought us Martin and now Martin is being discussed in trade speculation and people are crying. If there was ever a GM that could care less about the emotional value of players it's Daryl Morey. He traded Landry for crying out loud!!! All I'm saying is that people need to realize the NBA is a Business not a family. Players get paid to play a game. They do not care if it's for the team that drafted them or the 3rd team they've been on in 3 years. If you trust Morey then you shouldn't care about who gets traded because Morey obviously knows what he's doing. His track record is close to flawless.
100% agree with you dude. Plus, I don't see the emotional attachment to Martin like I did to Mandry. Mandry was a beast who went to war with us literally tooth and nail and took a bullet for us. Can't say the same for Martin. Plus, Martin's played what 20 games with us? Landry played almost 3 seasons with us plus the playoffs.
i would trade martin for melo in a heartbeat. but i would still love to see a team of yao martin AND melo....however i do believe that brooks gives us this edge that martin doesnt. why dont we just keep all 4 :grin: :grin: :grin:
yeah i ahte to say it but i was one of them. but i got over it fast. i think if it is best for our tem then so be it. just so we don't gut the team
Fair point, but that's part of being a fan. We aren't in the front office; we're in the seats and in our living rooms watching the games, so we are free to develop personal favorites. At the same time we should understand that any one of them can be gone at any time, and we shouldn't jump ship just because they traded away a guy we loved.
Oh dear god !! Yeah, why would fans of the team like that team's players? Maybe not everyone is so trusting of Morey, because of some of his mistakes like David Andersen, Joey Dorsey, and Trevor Ariza etc... Far be it from intelligent folks to have a different opinion than others. Far far be it ! This is just stupid, most people would trade anyone on the roster if it made the team better.......maybe some people think trading Martin for Melo is a lateral move....a case could certainly be made for that.... Either way, people have their own views, and I would think that right now, most would trade Martin for Melo......but not everyone. DD
Of course and while the players are on the team, you cheer for them, doesn't mean you have to agree with everything the organization does....they are not batting 1.000. If they can get Melo for like Hill, Budinger, Jeffries and a couple of picks, then sure.....but giving up Martin is a lateral move. DD
I want the team to do well, but I'd rather they do well with players I like. One doesn't totally supercede the other.
Fans have emotional attachments to teams on all kinds of levels, not the least of which is attachment to (identification with) specific players. A fan who is emotionally attached to a team merely because of it's win/loss record (and not its players) is likely nothing more than a bandwagon jumper when they win and a person who merely ignores the team (neither cares nor pays attention to them) when they lose. Fans like that are not really in touch with what the heart of sports. Emotional objectiveness is the realm of the general management of the team. Emotional involvement is a realm of the fan, and that involvement includes not only the team as a collective but the members as individuals. Otherwise, why even care?
an upgrade is an upgrade, forget about the money, i could understand if he was with the rockets for a couple of seasons you could get attached with a player but he has only been with us for a few months whats the big deal?
LOL I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, but if those are the kind of players that might cause one to mistrust a GM, then no GM in the NBA should be spared. David Anderson - cheap fill in for Yao. nothing more, nothing less. Joey Dorsey - second round pick. promptly shipped out once abilities were clearly established. Trevor Ariza - evaluation year without Yao. also promptly shipped out once abilities in an increased role were clearly established.
They better not trade Chuck Hayes, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry, Shane Battier, Yao Ming, Brad Miller, Courtney Lee, Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Ish, Luis Scola or any of the Red Rowdies for Melo!
Certainly a case could be made that trading Martin for Melo is a lateral move. Not a case that has anything to do with either player's track record for winning or durability, but some kind of case.
Sure, a case can be made that Carmelo Anthony is lateral to Kevin Martin on the Rockets, it's just a really ****ty case. We don't want a player that is younger and more healthy, we want an older guy that has missed a combined 88 games in his last 3 seasons! And no, we don't want 45 games of playoff experience as THE NUMBER 1 option while averaging 31 and 9 in last season's playoffs! We want the older, more injury prone player that has been a perpetual loser since he cracked the 35 minute mark! Second Round Pick Carl Landry Kevin Martin Carmelo Anthony DM=Genius...
I was at an event two seasons ago and Morey was taking questions. This lady stands up and asks, "Why did you trade Rafer for a scrub on the Grizzlies of all teams?". Before Morey could start talking the lady turns around, content with being able to speak her peace. Morey answered as if that lady really wanted to know. He talked about Brooks being ready and what he liked about Lowry's game. And instead of making Morey look bad, that lady got proven wrong. I always will remember this and it's a kind reminder that Morey makes moves to make the team better... Yeah, it hurts when certain players leave but if the team gets better, I'm all for it. Superstar league and unfortunately ours will be limited for most of the season. Get another and we'll be in better shape. If he doesn't get another superstar, it won't because he didn't try.
I can understand feeling bad/sad when you trade Otis Thorpe.... I can't understand the "commitment" to Kevin Martin at this point, as a fan. Kevin Martin is just barely a Rocket....he's only played a few more games in Rocket Red than Carmelo Anthony has. The notion that Carmelo and K-Mart are the same player...of the same value...that eludes me as well. One is the kind of player you build around...that other players feed off. The other is the kind of player you bring in to feed off playing with a player of Carmelo's ilk.
FWIW, I'd rather not give up Martin to get Melo. I'd prefer a package built around Aaron Brooks, because I believe Martin would fit in well with Melo and with Yao and I don't think a PG like Brooks is all that important on a team with the firepower we could potentially have. Of course, that is assuming Yao is even going to be relevant to the team. It's a tough spot Morey is in. Both Brooks and Martin bring a lot to the table, but while statistically there may not be much of an upgrade to go to Melo over either one, neither of the Rockets players have that ability to impose their will on a game. That is an unquantifiable (by our metrics) statistic. McGrady used to be able to do it. Even if you aren't having a great percentage night, when the going gets tough and the defenses lock down, who is the guy you can get the ball to and he will force his way to some points. I know Melo is that kind of guy. I don't believe Martin is that guy at all. He scores within the offense (which is awesome and a GREAT fit) and I think Brooks is too small to do it consistently.
