after the lawson trade i believe our best trade package would be: jones, KJ, and whoever we sign for the vet min. this would combine for about $8M in outgoing salaries. since we are a non-taxpaying team right now we would be eligible to receive 150% back in trade. this would be up to $12M in incoming salaries. with a need at PF... you can look around the league to see which PF's make up to $12M and might be available vie trade: faried and thad young jump out as 2 good fits that will definitely be available. the price for faried might be higher than what we can pay, but thad young would be a great fall back option: dwight-capela young-dmo-harrell ariza-brew-dekker harden-thornton lawson-beverley-terry we would also have 2 open roster spots and the remainder of the MLE to bring on someone who gets cut, like with josh last year.
1. We're in the luxury tax already. Use 125% rule. 2. Don't even consider trades for non-expiring contracts unless they are for a superstar. EDIT: We're not actually in the luxury tax since the McDaniels signing and Thornton signing haven't been officially announced by the Rockets. However, we will be in the tax once these signings take place and after Dec. 15th if they are traded, our incoming salaries will be limited to 125% + $100,000 of outgoing salaries. But...for the time being we're still under the tax line because McDaniels and Thornton haven't been officially announced. I take that to mean there may be another small deal on the table. Most likely candidate to be moved is Terrence. Of course if Rockets go ahead and announce McDaniels/Thornton signings, then trades are probably mostly done for us until after Dec. 15th.
Just curious (seriously) - - who or what could TJo bring back at the appropriate salary to effect a trade? Besides a 1st, eh Sam?
Could we add enough fillers to Tjones and KJ for Taj Gibson? By filler I mean anyone so that we could have Ty/Bev Harden/Thornton Ariza/Brewer Dmo/Taj Dwight/Capela
Well, he's not going to get you a first rounder. But a second in the 31-45 range?? I think maybe. When you look at a team's bench, specifically when you look at a championship contending team's bench....they've got specialists. And on this team there are 2 key skills that we need in mega-form. That is 3-point shooting and rebounding. So, if we are going to trade Terrence for a player (or for a pick and then sign a player) it should be for a player that is a great specialist. You see, that's the problem with Terrence. He is great at absolutely nothing. Finishing?? He's actually an average finisher for his size. Look at his finishing percentages in these last playoffs. They sunk like a rock. He got a whole passel of shots blocked down low and he missed some bunnies because he was playing down low with guys significantly bigger than he was. Rebounding? He was awful in the playoffs. He's not a dominant rebounder. And he's definitely not a dominant 3-point shooter. So you trade him away and replace him with a specialist. We've got chuckster coming in. He's your defensive specialist. So we still need a dominant rebounder that can actually rip down the boards by the dozen or a volume 3-point shooter that can knock down 10 3-balls in any given game if given the looks. With that in mind, here's some possibilities: 1. Granger and a second rounder. Granger is a guy that can knock down 7-10 3-balls for you just catching and bombing away from the arc if left open. 2. Andrew Nicholson and a second rounder. Same thing. Nicholson, although his numbers don't reflect it, is a plus shooter. If given the looks and encouraged to let it fly he's got the capability of knocking down 7-10 3-balls for you if he gets loose. 3. Trade him for a second rounder and a $2.489 million TPE and go sign Reggie Evans. You need rebounding? We getting beat up by Memphis one night on the glass. Bring in Evans and rip the boards away from them. Evans is a rebounding specialist. 4. Anthony Tolliver and a second rounder - another 3-point specialist that can knock down 3-point shots in volume at the 4 spot. 5. Leonard Myers - if you could get him. Clearly a floor-spacing volume 3-point shooter. 6. Furkan Aldemir - He's a vacuum cleaner on the glass...and he's learning the corner 3-ball. I don't think we could get him for Terrence but he's a specialist that would make us better. 7. Tyler Zeller - probably can't get him either. But he may be the best midrange shooter in the league right now and he can step back and stroke it from 3 if encouraged to do so. We'd probably have to give up Terrence and a pick to get him IF he were on the market. But that's another difference making specialist. 8. Jared Sullinger - most likely available. Ainge doesn't want him anymore. And he's a very good shooter with the ability to bang the glass better than Terrence as well. 9. Dejuan Blair and a second rounder - another rebounding hoss and a future second (not my favorite deal by far) 10. Earl Clark and a future second rounder - we've got a TPE for Clark's contract and they've got a TPE for Jones' contract. We gain a $2.489 TPE along with Clark and the second rounder. Clark can shoot the 3-ball very well. 11. Robert Covington - Shoooooter at the 4 12. Dewayne Dedmon - stud rebounder/defender, would love to pick him up for Terrence. 13. Trade Terrence for a second rounder and a $2.4 TPE and sign Andray Blatche, Anthony Randolph, Tyler Hansbrough, or.......Alan Williams. Specialists scorers/shooters and rebounders. 14. Terrence and cash to Philly for the rights to Richaun Holmes. This is my favorite by the way. Straight up deal. We get Holmes and a $2.4 million TPE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wouldn't necessarily do all of these 13 but there's the general idea.
Granger is pretty much done. Also TJones and Granger shot about the same % from 3 - way to downgrade the roster!!! TJones is better than Nicholson! Again, way to downgrade the roster! good on the boards, doesn't do much else. You complain about TJones' finishing, well good luck with Evans . I rather have a young guy, who is pretty good at finishing and does a bit of everything. TJones can run and gun, which is what this team likes to do. With 2 playmakers on the team, he should get plenty of lobs. shoots just under 36% from 3 for his career. I don't see him getting over 36% from 3 at this point in his career. Other than that, not very good at scoring. Rather have a younger TJones. never heard of Leonard Myers. Wasn't he a NFL player? might or might not turn out. He's hardly ever shot a 3 in his entire professional career. Wouldn't do it, because we want to win a championship, not experiment with unproven talent. not that much of a difference rebounding wise between Sullinger and Jones.[ He is not what he was with the Spurs. TJones >> Blair - no discussion here Are you talking about the guy who shot 28% from 3, 25% from FT and 36% FG - yeah great shooter he is!!! He is a pretty good 3 point shooter, but he doesn't bring anything else. TJones is a better player and as a contender you want the best talent possible on the floor! Again TJones is the better talent. Also why pick up a center, when you have a great prospect in Capela, who looks to be a better player than Dedmon anyways.
1. Granger is done like James Jones is done. He'll just keep hanging around the league for the next several years knocking down shots because he's a shot maker. Specialist 2. TJones may be better than Nicholson. That's hard to tell. But one thing is for sure and that's that Nicholson will shoot the 3-ball. Nicholson will shoot the ball. Nicholson is a far superior shooter to TJones. Specialist. 3. Reggie isn't good on the boards. Reggie is one of the best rebounders to ever play in the NBA. Once again, specialist. You bring him in to even out the boards when we're getting blasted on the glass. Jones may be the better talent but it doesn't translate to wins. Jones isn't an outstanding rebounder or shooter. He's mediocre in both departments (along with defense). So when you need one of those skills you won't get it from him. 4. Tolliver will catch and fire. Once again, Jones won't. Tolliver is a specialist. When you need floor space and you need a guy at the 4 that will catch and fire from 3...he'll do it. 36% is a great number out there for us. And you'll never get that from Terrence. He'll catch, up fake, and hold the basketball while the defense resets on him and now we're playing with a short clock, having to restart the offense. Doesn't matter how much talent he's got. 5. Myers Leonard - you know who I meant. But as I stated he's probably too good to trade Terrence for. 6. Furkan has already turned out as a rebounder. He's a specialist on the glass regardless of what happens to his 3-ball. Terrence will never be close to him on the boards. 7. Sully is the far superior offensive player to Terrence. And he's got enough girth to go up against legit bigs. Terrence cannot. Sully is a specialist. Shoot the corner 3, bang on other bigs, play post up defense and anchor down the D. He's the far better player than Terrence and that's precisely why Ainge isn't interested in Terrence. (I'm just hoping on this one.) 8. No Blair is not what he was with the Spurs. But he's a specialist. You need rebounding...you stick him in there and let him grind. (Remember these trades net a second rounder too, which is a trade asset we can add to the pile for later in the season.) 9. Wouldn't necessarily do Earl Clark and keep him. I believe he's non-guaranteed. We could give him an early look and see how he does catching and knocking down 3's and then dump him if he isn't any good on open 3 looks and sign Reggie Evans or somebody else. The key to a deal like that is getting the second rounder and the $2.5 million TPE while still getting a specialist that would help this team more than Terrence does. 10. Covington doesn't bring anything else besides shooting so you want Terrence on the floor because he has more talent??? Look that's not how to win basketball games. You don't put the 5 most talented guys out there. You put the 5 most skilled guys out there whose skills mesh with each other with each guy having at least one outstanding skill that makes them special. Covington for spot minutes at the 4 spot when we need to create spacing for everybody else is much more valuable than the ultra-talented but under-skilled Terrence catching the basketball at the 3-point line and the defense collapsing into the paint and bottling us up. I don't understand why you can't see that yet. We've been watching it on the court for 2 seasons now. How much do you have to see of it before you realize Terrence does not help us on the court when we need help the most. 12. Sure Jones is the better talent. You keep saying the same thing over and over. And I'm not denying talent. What I clearly stated in the original list was that Jones has no outstanding skill that makes him a difference maker. He's a poor rebounder, a mediocre to poor defender, an average finisher when he goes up against real NBA size, and a poor jump shooter. This teams needs dead-eye 3-point shooting and rebounding more than anything else right now when you look at our current make up. Terrence isn't going to bring either skill. What Dedmon does is give us a 3rd legit rebounding/defensive option. Sure we've got Capela, all 220 lbs of him. What do we do when one of Dwight/Capela is injured and the other one gets into foul trouble? We're back to DMo in the middle and that ain't a pretty sight....especially with Terrence tagging along at the 4 and not stopping anybody. So a 3rd center is important. And Capela can sure play some 4....better than Terrence can for sure. It's not about talent. It's about what this team needs from basically it's 9th-15th men. It needs shooting and rebounding at outstanding levels in those slots.
Is there a way to get Ryan Anderson in December? What package of Jones + others would make salaries work?
these are some HORRIBLE and I trully mean HORRIBLE trade ideas bballholic. Why not just waive Jones? Because what you are proposing is almost like that. Granger is DONE. Nicholson is free. Magic wanted a second rounder for him last year and now with Skiles he's almost out of the door. Furkan is TRASH. Hinkie would jump all over getting even a second rounder for him. Dedmon as Lowe said has hooves for hands. Besides he shouldn't be available anyway due to Vucevic's horrible defence. When you say Sully has enough girth you are right. He's so ****** he has enough girth allright. He also has a bad back and on track to eat his way out of the league. As for Taj Gibson trade ideas, everyone should know he just had ankle surgery and even though the team announced he should be back at the start of the season, at his age, and with the Bulls history of flat out lying about medical conditions I'm not certain at all. But the Bulls should trade someone from their frontline and add a wing. So they are a good trading partner. Though Bulls very rarely do trades in February. But hopefully the new coach will like to change some of the roster to fit better his system.
Ariza likely would have to go in any other major trade, or you'd have to wait until Dec 15th for contracts of newly signed players to open up. The whole "Trade Jones" narrative was pushed because he could combine with the salaries of Paps, Prigs, etc. But alone as a piece by himself can't bring you back much with the Rockets flirting with the hard cap. And a hard cap is just that.... a true cap. Sure its always possible that Morey moves Jones, but I can't see it being a major move. See Hollic's random trade ideas for an idea of what you are looking at. Is Jones for Danny Granger and a 2nd round pick making anyone wet the bed? Only Hollic would fantasize about that mostly because it gets Jones off the Rockets. At this point you just have to really want Jones off the team if you suggest trading him in a deal that is actually legal under CBA rules. Most important tasks at hand now have to be filling out the last two spots on the roster with solid veteran players who can push guys like Jones, D-Mo, etc. to be better, and serve as insurance. Terry, and Chuck Hayes seem to be the best two pickups they can solidify that would serve a higher purpose than the random trades suggested above.
Jones can bring back picks and prospects on rookie contracts. I am beginning to classify some of the posters here as legitimate Jones haters when they continue to value Jones the equivalent of a washed up vet that noone wants and a late second round pick. However trading Jones after DMO is back healthy in my opinion is still the right way to go due to the market next summer. It has too few good free agents and too much money to be spent and rfa will be the prime target for some team to make the Rockets overspend in matching.
Second rounder malakas. Second rounder. Granger is not done. He's going to matriculate on to a contender and be a bench gun for them. He's not what he once was but he hasn't lost his stroke nor his release. Granger with that rifle coming off the bench in the stretch-4 role is a lot more useful for us making a championship run than Terrence coming off the bench with his water pistol. Oh.........and the second rounder. Don't scuttle that trade malakas. SVG might not even be willing to do it. LOL at Granger being done.
We are basically done for the summer on trades and signing any FA. I think I can rest on the notion that we will be entering next season with a good cast of players for contending the title. Personally, I dont think Morey is done with upgrading this team. I think if the opportunity presents itself, we may be examining the 4 spot. We are still chaisng that 3rd star and Ty Lawson wont be able to turn himself around overnight. Expectation is for him to be "good" at the second half season. He has the potential but i dont hold him to it until i see how he behaves first.
His last couple of seasons look pretty "done" to me. As for your other ideas, the only one I would consider is a swap of Covington for TJones, and since we had Covington last summer and cut him, I find that unlikely. Still, we lack a big shooting wing outside Ariza....I could see Covington getting time as a stretch 4.
Sometimes you gotta wonder if jopat was the bum that Terrence Jones kicked. Wish he'd knocked a little sense into him in the process.
Yeah ok. He will sign somewhere with the vet min to fill the bench and be a lockeroom presence. SVG would pee himself in joy if he could get Jones for Granger. Covington is worth more than Jones because he has the best contract in the league. You get most of his prime years for almost a vet min. Whereas Jones is about to be rfa and plays a position that Philly has no need for. IF Hinkie does a trade like this, then I will be utterly convinced beyond any doubt that he runs a scam. Kj trade was already extremely awful for Philly. If he does this, (which I don't rule out) then there will be no excuse and he needs to be investigated.
