these aren't just democrats...many Nader supporters are pulling their ads in states where it's close. Even Nader admits he can't win. Personally i think Ralph is on the take from the RNC to stay in this race. Lots of Republicans whined about Perot in 92 taking away votes from Bush Sr.
S-E-L-L-O-U-T They already knew they had no chance to begin with. Now that it's a 'close race', I guess their convictions aren't so strong after all.
Ridiculous. I like the Greens for the most part. I will say that I do not think Nader is the right candidate. He is pissy and contentious but I like his basic philosophies with a few exceptions. Nader is really a breath of fresh air in an increasingly stale political atmosphere. Anything that supports the development of third parties in politics (or fourth or fifth) gets my support. As for Nader being asked to step aside, if that is true, it is very weak of the Democrats. If they can't win on their own, they don't deserve to win as much as I don't want to see Bush become president. The whole thing smacks of silly politics but all politics are silly anyway. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Noone likes a spoiler. Everyone should remember that John McCain could easily have run as a third party candidate this year and gotten 20% of the vote or more... perhaps much more. Instead, he chose to wait and play the good little politician, the team player. I don't think he thought for a second that Bush would be this close though. I'm sure he thought he would have a much easier time getting the nomination in 4 years. Well... not if the incumbent president is a republican. That being said, most of Nader's voters are disenchanted demos (the others are weirdos like Jeff ). There's nothing wrong in calling them home in a time of need. Meanwhile, I can vote for Nader (even though the green party's platform is bunk) simply b/c I live in UT... and there's no way in hell Gore's winning there. ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but." [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited October 26, 2000).]
If Gore doesn't win, you won't hear me blaming it on Nader. The same way I got sick and tired of hearing Republicans b**** that if Perot wouldn't have been in the race, Clinton wouldn't have won. Basically, your candidate should be strong enough not to get any votes taken away from him. If Gore doesn't win, he should have been a better candidate, it won't be because of Nader though. ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of yourself and umption. visit www.swirve.com
To those of you who support Nader...how do you feel about the efforts of Democrats around the country (particularly California) to encourage Nader to step aside to make sure Gore wins?? I don't remember this sort of sentiment being expressed quite so vehemently from either party in 1992 or 1996 when Perot ran. I know I was disappointed to see Perot running again in '96..but I don't remember the media condemning him as an outright definite loser in the election and a serious waste of a vote...he is clearly troubling to those who want Gore elected...for obvious reasons. Anyway...I don't want arguments back from Gore supporters about how dumb you think Bush is or anything like that...I'm simply asking those who support Nader how they feel about this. Jeff...this includes you!! ------------------
I think it's funny that the Democrats largely ignored Nader until now, and also somewhat arrogant of them to think that a vote for Nader is essentially a vote for Bush. I think a lot of people are voting for Nader to increase the viability of a third party and help ensure that the Green Party gets federal funds in 2004, rather than an outright dissatisfaction with either of the two main candidates. Although there is a lot of that going around. ------------------ Brought to you by the letter M.
Interesting....my ideology could not be further from the Green Party. I've heard many adamant Green Party supporters say that this election is all about the establishment of their party for future elections. Certainly a worthwhile endeavor, if that's your political persuasion. ------------------
Jeff -- your sentiments were echoed by Nader yesterday when he called Gore a coward. ------------------
Interesting development. A Republican group is airing pro-Nader ads, which feature Nader criticizing Gore. (The ads, of course, neglect to include Nader criticizing Bush.) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001027/el/gop_nader_3.html ------------------ Brought to you by the letter M.
If Gore really wanted Nader to back off, he is a coward. Wuss! ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
R95, I agree with what you say, but Gore is a little to conservative for some liberals. Nader is stealing votes from him, that is a fact. Basically, all of Nader's votes would have been Gore's if Nader wasn't running. Achebe, I go to UT. You're right, Gore has no chance. But I voted for him anyway. ------------------ "I know how hard it is to put food on your family." George W. Bush
Nader is not stealing all of Gore's votes. Most people who are voting for Nader probably wouldn't be voting at all if he wasn't there.
gr8-1, I think you're underestimating the Green Party. Nader's candidacy is different from Perot's in that he is representing a party already somewhat established in the U.S. I don't think it's the same kind dissaffection with politics that we saw in 1992. Even if Nader draws votes from Gore, a vote for Nader is more a vote for a multi-party system than anything else. Greens probably do vote Dem when there isn't another option, but Nader's candidacy is a way of giving Greens (and others) more options in later elections. ------------------ Brought to you by the letter M.
Screw the lesser of two evils, I'll support Ralph to the very end. This year the impact of the Nader will bring more and more votes to the Green Party in the following elections. When people see his numbers in the polls it will be more than enough advertising for the Green Party. ------------------ please venture to atheistalliance and rocketsonline I AM SPARTACUS Bush and Gore make me want to Ralph votenader.com [This message has been edited by DEANBCURTIS (edited October 27, 2000).] [This message has been edited by DEANBCURTIS (edited October 27, 2000).]
Has Nader ever ran on the democratic ticket? He should, he's a bit of a hell raiser and could attract the independent vote. I also doubt that he believes in all of the bs in the green party's platform (i.e. calling for an end to the military). Come home Nader, come home. You and McCain could start some s@#t. Half his face fell off, but you guys could clean stuff up. "He's a hobbling cancer ridden republican, and he's the human mantis and they're CLAP about to rile some stuff up" ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
gr8-1, I agree that Nader is "stealing" votes from Gore. But I won't blame him if Gore does in fact lose in 11 days. He should've been the candidate that attracted those voters, not Nader. ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of yourself and umption. visit www.swirve.com
rm95, to borrow a line from the republicans... "a [candidate] can't be all things to all people". Both parties have huge bases that cover huge spectrums of ideas (sometimes overlapping, of course). Should the rest of us suffer simply b/c one of the different voices in our party has a more attractive voice than the other party's alternative (in this case a racist)? I don't think so. Back in March, John McCain abandoned his drive to the White House, b/c he valued his views (in the general) more than he did his ego. Nader's idiocy isn't quite as noble. The next four years will be for jack-naught if Bush wins, and Nader will be the cause, nothing else. [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited October 27, 2000).]
