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Quick exit from Iraq is likely

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  1. gifford1967

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    The trial balloon has been launched.


    Quick exit from Iraq is likely

    September 20, 2004

    BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST


    Inside the Bush administration policymaking apparatus, there is strong feeling that U.S. troops must leave Iraq next year. This determination is not predicated on success in implanting Iraqi democracy and internal stability. Rather, the officials are saying: Ready or not, here we go.

    This prospective policy is based on Iraq's national elections in late January, but not predicated on ending the insurgency or reaching a national political settlement. Getting out of Iraq would end the neoconservative dream of building democracy in the Arab world. The United States would be content having saved the world from Saddam Hussein's quest for weapons of mass destruction.

    The reality of hard decisions ahead is obscured by blather on both sides in a presidential campaign. Six weeks before the election, Bush cannot be expected to admit even the possibility of a quick withdrawal. Sen. John Kerry's political aides, still languishing in fantastic speculation about European troops to the rescue, do not even ponder a quick exit. But Kerry supporters with foreign policy experience speculate that if elected, their candidate would take the same escape route.

    Whether Bush or Kerry is elected, the president or president-elect will have to sit down immediately with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The military will tell the election winner there are insufficient U.S. forces in Iraq to wage effective war. That leaves three realistic options: Increase overall U.S. military strength to reinforce Iraq, stay with the present strength to continue the war, or get out.

    Well-placed sources in the administration are confident Bush's decision will be to get out. They believe that is the recommendation of his national security team and would be the recommendation of second-term officials. An informed guess might have Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state, Paul Wolfowitz as defense secretary and Stephen Hadley as national security adviser. According to my sources, all would opt for a withdrawal.

    Getting out now would not end expensive U.S. reconstruction of Iraq, and certainly would not stop the fighting. Without U.S. troops, the civil war cited as the worst-case outcome by the recently leaked National Intelligence Estimate would be a reality. It would then take a resolute president to stand aside while Iraqis battle it out.

    The end product would be an imperfect Iraq, probably dominated by Shia Muslims seeking revenge over long oppression by the Sunni-controlled Baathist Party. The Kurds would remain in their current semi-autonomous state. Iraq would not be divided, reassuring neighboring countries -- especially Turkey -- that are apprehensive about ethnically divided nations.

    This messy new Iraq is viewed by Bush officials as vastly preferable to Saddam's police state, threatening its neighbors and the West. In private, some officials believe the mistake was not in toppling Saddam but in staying there for nation building after the dictator was deposed.

    Abandonment of building democracy in Iraq would be a terrible blow to the neoconservative dream. The Bush administration's drift from that idea is shown in restrained reaction to Russian President Vladimir Putin's seizure of power. While Bush officials would prefer a democratic Russia, they appreciate that Putin is determined to prevent his country from disintegrating as the Soviet Union did before it. A fragmented Russia, prey to terrorists, is not in the U.S. interest.

    The Kerry campaign, realizing that its only hope is to attack Bush for his Iraq policy, is not equipped to make sober evaluations of Iraq. When I asked a Kerry political aide what his candidate would do in Iraq, he could do no better than repeat the old saw that help is on the way from European troops. Kerry's foreign policy advisers know there will be no release from that quarter.

    In the Aug. 29 New York Times Magazine, columnist David Brooks wrote an article (''How to Reinvent the GOP'') that is regarded as a neo-con manifesto and not popular with other conservatives.

    ''We need to strengthen nation states,'' Brooks wrote, calling for ''a multilateral nation-building apparatus.'' To chastened Bush officials, that sounds like an invitation to repeat Iraq instead of making sure it never happens again.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak20.html
     
  2. No Worries

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    I thought our troups already left when the the Iraq interm government took over, right?
     
  3. whag00

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    Novak has been saying this for some time now but I seriously doubt it's true. There is no way the U.S. could just pack up and leave until it is sure that Iraq can take care of itself.
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    If Bush is reelected then I wouldn't put ANYTHING past him.
     
  5. Mulder

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    From an email I just got from the Kerry campaign...

     
  6. GreenVegan76

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    I hate the idea of American troops spending another day in that hellhole, but if they can't maintain control, how will their trainees?

    Of course, it's all academic: there's not a chance in hell America will *ever* relinguish true control of Iraq. Ever. Ever ever ever. Iraq has the second biggest oil reserves in the world. Bush isn't going to just hand that over to the rightful owners. Neither will Kerry.

    Barring some sort of massive world boycott or intervention, American troops will be dying there for a long time. Our kids will be fighting this war.

    Again, thanks a lot, George.
     
  7. Dubious

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    "Declare Victory and Withdraw"
    The proven solution to a quagmire.

    I didn't know Douche Bag was shilling for Pat Buchanan now. When did he change sides?
     
  8. HayesStreet

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    No way. I must need therapy because the other day I agreed with Trader Jorge and today I'm going to say glynch is right on this point. A long intervention is not sustainable. Either Iraqis will get thier stuff together and react strongly to the insurgents, or we will withdraw. Besides, we could have bought the oil even from Saddam. Its silly to assert we intervened so we could control the oil.
     
  9. Deckard

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    Un****ing believable! Was that a satire from Novak???

    I spent part of my afternoon stuck in my car, listening to Rush, who was vilifying Kerry's speech today. He pontificated at some length about how absurd and defeatist Kerry was to promise having our troops out of Iraq by the end of his first term. Has Rush been left out of the loop?

    Good lord! Rice and Wolfowitz as Sec-State and Sec-Defense?? :eek:
    Is this "reality" surpassing surealism?? I think so.

    If there is anything to this stuff from Novak, the country should be afraid. Very afraid. Not only would Bush continue not admitting he made any mistakes in regards to Iraq and in foreign policy (or in anything), he would be promoting 2 of the idiots responsible for this mess!


    (I'm really speechless, but I always manage to say something anyway...)
     
  10. No Worries

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    That would Iraq in its entirity a free fire zone. Civil wars, you just gotta love them.

    Seriously though, if we leave as you suggest when democracy did not take, wouldn't we be leaving the door open to come back at a later time to clean the mess up again.

    Personally, I don't think that GWB is "smart" enough to get out early, if he gets re-elected. GWB is also not smart enough to see this thing through; thus, Iraq should be some happening TV for the next decade or so.
     
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    Sadly as Pat Buchanan points out we have made the US less safe by this unwise Iraq War and the leadership of the neocons -- even though Sadam was a bad guy and in the abstract his removal was for the best, if you ignore the real world costs of a fiailed state in Iraq.

    One of the costs is deteriorating relations with Russia, which really can be a threat to the US. This could have perhaps been avoided if we weren't strutting around like militarists pissing off the Russians and the rest of the world.



    Pat Buchanan
     

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