1. If New York ends up with a better record than us...then we just keep our pick, end of story? 2. If we trade the pick, does that mean another team has the right to swap picks with the Knicks, and we keep our own original draft pick? 3. If so, then is there any reason for us not trade the Knicks pick by mid-season if its clear our record is going to be a lot worse than theirs?
If both teams miss the playoffs, then both picks have a chance to get into the top three picks. NY could feasably finish with a better record than us, have thier ping pong balls win the lottery and thus still get swapped with ours. The right to swap is attached to the pick, if it is moved, then the right to swap goes with it. If we gave it to the Celtics (for example), they could not swap thier own pick with the Knicks and have both ours and the Knicks It doesnt work that way.
That's right. Read this: <a href="http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1552/terms_of_rockets-knicks_draft_picks_swap/" title="Houston Rockets-New York Knicks draft pick terms">Terms of Rockets-Knicks Draft Picks Swap</a> If the Rockets trade their pick, it comes with the right to switch that pick with the Knicks. That's the only pick that has the option to switch picks with the Knicks. Read the link above. The Rockets don't own the Knicks pick this year. They have an option to swap their own pick with the Knicks. There is no Knicks pick in 2011 to trade... only Houston's own pick (which includes the option to swap)
Not necessarily. If the Knicks make the playoffs and the Rockets end up in the lottery, then yes, you are correct. But if both teams end up in the lottery, the Rockets essentially get "both teams' ping pong balls" as far as chances to get the #2 or #3 pick in the lottery. No. The Rockets are entitled to the higher of their own first round pick or the New York Knicks' first round pick (top-1 protected). Nothing more. Any team that trades for that picks gets the higher of those two picks. It has nothing to do with the third team's pick. See above.
We have the rights to their 2012 draft picks...we don't have to give them anything for it. For the 2011 draft pick we have the option to exchange picks with them. http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1552/terms_of_rockets-knicks_draft_picks_swap/ So yes, in regards to the 2011 draft pick it would make sense to do something with them.
Ahh yes, correcto . I took that Knicks having a better record to mean picking later than the Rockets, but what Bima said is right on the money.
No, essentially we get to see which pick we want. Let's say the ping pong balls drop that Houston get's the #6 pick and NY gets #4. We could swap picks and get 4 or keep 6. It's our choice.
Ahh I see, So technically when we trade this pick, we are just trading out own pick still but it has the swap clause with new york.
Yeah that is real good point. I think what I said earlier was incorrect. Just for clarification, if we trade the 2011 pick then we have no picks for 2011 draft. So in no cases would it make sense to trade the 2011 picks. I can only think of this highly unlikely scenario: 1.) Neither the Knicks nor the Rockets get into the lottery. 2.) Say there are three teams lined up to pick in the order: 20.) Knicks 21.) Rockets 22.) <Random Team> 3.) The rockets are interested in a single player they know neither the Knicks nor the <Random Team> are interested in. On the other hand the Knicks and <Random Team> are after the same player. 4.) Then the Rockets might be able to get some extra cash from the <Random Team> by swapping there picks (if the option for the <Random Team> to now be able to swap with the Knicks is still applicable) + cash to the Rockets.
Sorry for the double post. In the other post I used tags for "Random Team" that didn't show up when I submitted. Is there anyway to edit post? Yeah that is real good point. I think what I said earlier was incorrect. Just for clarification, if we trade the 2011 pick then we have no picks for 2011 draft. So in no cases would it make sense to trade the 2011 picks. I can only think of this highly unlikely scenario: 1.) Neither the Knicks nor the Rockets get into the lottery. 2.) Say there are three teams lined up to pick in the order: 20.) Knicks 21.) Rockets 22.) "Random Team" 3.) The rockets are interested in a single player they know neither the Knicks nor the "Random Team" are interested in. On the other hand the Knicks and "Random Team" are after the same player. 4.) Then the Rockets might be able to get some extra cash from the "Random Team" by swapping there picks (if the option for the "Random Team" to now be able to swap with the Knicks is still applicable) + cash to the Rockets.
I'll use this thread to ask a different question: Since there's a lockout looming, how does this affect the value of draft picks in terms of talent pool? Will many talented prospects decide to remain at college for an extra year until there is more certainty about the new CBA? The way I see it, they needn't: the new CBA will probably look to shorten the length and amount of the star player contracts more than it will affect the rookie scale contracts. Therefore why should it matter whether a prospect enters the draft in a lockout year or the year after? Also, whether the prospect enters the draft in '11 or '12, the contract level is going to be the same... it's just the length of it which differs (shortened season of lockout vs full season). The prospect still has a good idea about what kind of contract he can expect. I suppose the uncertainty/counter-argument lies in the prospect being offered a contract at all by the NBA team (similar to the Grizzlies holding out on offering a contract this year to their 1st rounder) even after being selected in the draft. Is this true? Any clarifications or insights would be helpful. PS Can someone also link me to one of Bima's latest articles or posts on our cap status for '10-'11 and '11-'12? I mainly wanted information about letting Shane and Yao expire in order to resign them to smaller amounts... is this possible wrt the cap?
More pathetic than sad, but I can live with a rebuilding season as long as we get some closure on Yao and a top three pick.
No, it's actually not: Like you said before: 2011-2012 season is the one we've been working towards all along... During the season: - let Yao rehab by playing in NBA games and getting into game shape through this season - Jordan, Chase, Courtney, Ish will all develop - we get 1 more year running Adelman's system @ the end of the season: - We sign Yao and Shane back to smaller contracts - re-sign Aaron to a larger one - we may get a high draft pick to possibly have an impact next year/trade along with some of our players for a star - we are good to go for next season with full and reliable health! (more reliable than the current situation anyway) Basically Yao needs his rehab time, and everyone underestimated it except for the doctors. Don't call for him to come back and play long minutes. 24 mins a night is enough for now.. maybe even too much. Have him work on his stamina on the sideline for the first half of this season if need be. Edit: Looking at the salary commitments for next year, if Les is willing to pay tax again then I think we can easily re-sign Brooks, Yao and Shane to contracts more representative of their then-current play level. (All we do is reshuffle the $17.5 mil, $7.3 mil and $2 mil numbers that the three of them earn now right? No? Bima I need help).
