ok when the rocks picked 9th was their already an agreement with the bucks and same with 38th pick... i read the mavs were picking for rocks how does that work how did the mavs know the rocks would be able to get who they wanted and how did the rocks know bucks would etc. thanks if ya'll can hel p ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
The Milwaukee-Houston deal I assume was done provided Collier was there at 15, which seemed like a safe bet. Notice neither one of these trades were official until AFTER they second player was selected by the other team. If Collier had gone at say, 14, to the Pistons, the Bucks deal would have been off and most likely we'd have Pryzbilla. That's the case with the Mavs deal too. If Najera didn't fall to us, the deal would have been off and then no Langhi. Teams make these deals ahead of time assuming a player will be at a certain spot, but don't make them official until after both players are drafted. Dallas most likely worked the phone lines and said "who wants Langhi- we need Najera". Houston was the team that was interested, and Nellie said fine we will do this deal assuming Najera is there. If he wasn't,the deal would simply not be made. ------------------ Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!
I bet the phone call went the other way. CD called Nellie and made the offer "Langhi for whoever you want at #38 plus a second round pick". ------------------
Maybe, I was just speculating because I heard Nellie say he went for Najera because people on Dallas radio were slamming him for picking Langhi and told him to pick Najera. Could have easily been CD though. ------------------ Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!
But my question is if Dallas was so hot for Najera why didn't they just draft him with the 31st pick? I mean it worked out for them since they ended up getting him plus a future second rounder. But were they that confident that they would end up with Najera. From what I heard Langhi did not even work out at all with Dallas. So the Rockets must have had a pre-arranged deal with the Mavs. ------------------ Vice President of the Austin Croshere fan club.
nellie did it because people were slamming him on radio lol. i guess rudy doesn't care about radio. but do you think the players knew they were being traded as soon as they were picked i'm guessing they contact them before announce trade. also it still goes down in record books that prazbilla or however you spell it was selected by rockets at number 9 because i saw one place where they simply had the picks listed as number 9 jason collier and 15. joe prazbilla. but if i'm right i think they uusally leave it as where they were originally selected so collier still gets 15th pick money not lottery pick money and is always considred a bucks draft pick ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
From what I understand, The Bucks-Rocks deal was for Etan Thomas or Collier. I guess they just assumed that one of those players would be there. ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Holyfield fight
My understanding is that the teams agreed to trade the picks first. For example, Rudy said he didnt know who Mil would take at the time of the trade. They cut the deal to trade places, then, when official, asked the Bucks who they wanted the Rockets to draft, then the Rockets made that pick. Same with Dallas and Langhi, just the other way around (i.e., Dallas did not know who we wanted when the trade was made). Rudy, CD and Co. did not want Prys. But they knew he was worth something. They also (correctly) figured Collier would be there at 15. Equally important was their estimation of where the Bucks would finish next year. They wanted as high a pick in 2001 as they could get. In other words, they had other similar offers from teams with lower picks (where Collier likely would have still been there) BUT the Bucks offered the best chance for a higher pick next season. For example, lets say the Blazers offered the same exact deal. Collier may have well been there at the time but the Blazers pick in 2001 is no where near as valueable as the Buck's. And this is why and how the deal was done the way it was. You have to accept that the Rockets really did target Collier (once the 6 or so they would have preferred were gone). Accepting that, they had to balance taking him a little higher than perhaps was necessary (although there were rumors others teams were trying to position themselves to get Collier) with the value (or position) of the pick next year. Conclusion, they made the most of the situation they were in. They were not drunk, they were not stupid. Complaints along these lines are off base and embarass me as a Rockets fans. These men are veterans. They have proven themslves with two championships and prior successful drafts. They put a lot of long hours into evaluations and strategy. I am not saying they are unfalable or beyond reproach. What I am saying is that they deserve the benefit of the doubt. The end result will not be known until the result of the Bucks' choice is known. With the depth of the '01 draft, this move may have been quite a stroke of genius. ------------------
joe fan...good summerary of situation thanks with all this about rocks i just now realized that the bulls traded chris mihm for 8th pick....hmm the rocks could have probably got him if they wanted to bad enough if all it took was 8th pick and cash ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
