QuakeCon 08: New Rage Trailer, Doom 4, and Wolfenstein

RC Cola · Aug 1, 2008

A couple of different sites have updates, and none seem to be better than the rest from what I can tell. Here's a liveblog link from IGN and coverage from 1UP:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/895/895619p1.html
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169093

Doom 4 announcement:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169099

Kicking off the festivities at QuakeCon, id CEO Todd Hollenshead took the stage during the keynote presentation and promised he would be showing off either Rage or the previously unannounced Doom 4. So which did they actually end up showing? Well, kind of both. Before a brand new Rage video, Hollenshead officially announced "the next Doom game."

While id was not ready to spill any big details beyond a teaser, Hollenshead did promise some of the classic Doom elements: "There will be guns, blood, demons, and gibs." When one fan let out his desire for "flashlight tape" from the audience, Hollenshead joked that his Quake Live account should be banned.

Later in the keynote, after the Rage video rolled, id's John Carmack promised that the next Doom game will "look like it's built on another engine" compared to the already amazing-looking Rage. Carmack said that the Doom project will use "three times the horsepower," and as such it will run at 30 frames per second compared to Rage's 60. Both Rage and Doom will be running on the id Tech 5 engine.

Carmack also explained that id has begun to change their old development model of one game at a time, suggesting (as we already kind of knew) that Doom development is going on alongside Rage. Hopefully that means we won't have to wait as long for our next dose of demon-shooting as we might have expected.

Carmack noted that Doom will be a multi-platform release, but emphasized, "By the the time that the next Doom game ships to consoles, PC will be light years ahead of current consoles." In other words, the PC version of the new Doom should look significantly better than on the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3, whereas the console ports of Rage will be more or less the same visually. Carmack also reiterated his belief that a mouse and keyboard setup is still the best way to control a first-person shooter.

We'll update with more info on the mysterious new project if we can squeeze it out of id this weekend. In the mean time, stay tuned to Shawn Elliott's liveblog of the keynote and 1UP's QuakeCon coverage hub story for continued updates from QuakeCon.
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Wolfenstein trailer (think this is different from the E3 trailer, but I might be wrong):
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Some previews online as well

Extended E3 trailer for Rage
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Not so sure about the game itself, but I really like the tech, especially if it is supposed to be identical (or nearly identical) on the PC (and Mac), 360, and PS3, running at 60 FPS. Much better than most of the alternatives it seems (getting tired of UE3). I'd like to get a little more about the engine...not sure if sites will be posting more from the event or not.

A bit more controversial, but John Carmack did add that the 360 version of Rage might suffer due to storage issues (something about extra fees with releasing 3 DVDs, and they don't want to pay that, so they'll compress it for 2 DVDs). Probably a good way to get Microsoft to change their stance and make some changes. Carmack sure likes to publicly complain about these consoles from time to time, although I guess he is more or less entitled. Unlike other developers, it seems like they'll still make sure each version looks and runs great.

tinman · Aug 1, 2008

Castle Wolfenstein:

doom:

rage:

RC Cola · Aug 2, 2008

1UP posted some interviews with Carmack and the lead designer for Rage (missed these originally):
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For the lazy, here are some of the details talked about in both interviews:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169124

1UP is having a blast at QuakeCon (as you can see Shawn Elliott's first day tour video), but we also have to do some serious work. For example, sitting down with id mastermind John Carmack to discuss Doom 4, Rage, and a whole lot more. The full 16-minute video interview is above, but read on for some of the highlights.

While discussing the difference between developing games for the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360, Carmack admitted that he wants hardcore id fans to help influence Microsoft's business practices. He also confirmed something that was hinted at in yesterday's news that Rage will be squeezed onto two DVDs: Microsoft charges developers more to publish games on multiple discs for their system. Carmack speculates quite logically that this is probably due to Microsoft not wanting to look bad next to the significant storage capabilities of the PS3's Blu-ray disc technology.

Don't think that Carmack's some Sony cheerleader, though. When reminiscing on Quake Wars' "depressing" development cycle and launch, Carmack notes that Sony demands that games coming out on their platform after they've already been released on other platforms must have significant bonus content. He also makes a big deal of the fact that while Rage will almost certainly look and run better on the PlayStation 3, he believes the 360 is the better hardware over all, because id is having to put double the work into the PS3 port.

Talking about his own gaming habits, Carmack reveals that he actually plays Nintendo's systems -- both the Wii and the DS -- more than anything else. This may come as something of a surprise from one of the top guys at a graphics-and-power-focused developer like id, but Carmack says he loves playing Mario games with his children. Sadly, though, we shouldn't expect to see id games showing up on the Wii any time soon. Carmack believes Nintendo's platforms work in favor of first-party development and leave third party developers struggling to sell units.

Other topics in the interview include the next generation of consoles, what would be good and bad about a one-console future, and more. Be sure to watch the full interview above!
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A hot new Rage trailer already has Id's next graphical powerhouse game making plenty of noise at QuakeCon down in Dallas. To see what else we could find out about the game 1UP's Shawn Elliot caught up with the game's lead designer, Matt Hooper. We're hard at work getting the full video interview posted, but he spilled such a load of new details on the game that we couldn't wait to give them to you.

We'll have the whole thing for you to watch shortly, but in the meantime here are some of the highlights to look forward to:

* The world in Rage contains multiple cities. In each of these you can acquire corporate sponsorship, customize your vehicle with unique insignias, and participate in regional races.
* Rage is not a racing game per se. Weapons and armor won on the track work in the wilds where the vehicle becomes an extension of yourself and can be entered or exited on command.
* In some instances, stepping out of the vehicle amounts to suicide in the face of overwhelming force. In others, though, you need to leave the safety of the vehicle to search various locations.
* Hooper says "The vehicle [in Rage] is your horse in Zelda, it's you in DOOM," to relate the importance they place on making the driving feel every bit as natural as controlling yourself in other games.
* Vehicular combat is not at all like that in Quake IV. Nor is it comparable to the design of Half-Life 2's driving levels. Rage is not a version of Borderlands, in so far as id is aware of Gearbox's forthcoming game.
* Rage is the first id shooter to feature an economy of sorts. Players purchase and presumably trade items with NPCs. The game features fewer items than Borderlands, but id is determined to ensure that each and every upgrade is significant. Hooper compares item acquisition to previous id titles in that picking up a pulse rifle or BFG is momentous.
* Rage, Hooper suggests, should support online cooperative play, perhaps on a grand scale. He sees players sharing vehicles, with one sitting shotgun and operating its weapons as the other drives.
* Id wants to create memorable and lifelike characters that we will interact with over the course of the story. On a technological level, the Id Tech 5 engine's facial animation appears up to the task.
* Hooper feels that Rage might amount to a franchise as important and lasting as DOOM.
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lpbman · Aug 2, 2008

RC Cola said:

He also confirmed something that was hinted at in yesterday's news that Rage will be squeezed onto two DVDs: Microsoft charges developers more to publish games on multiple discs for their system. Carmack speculates quite logically that this is probably due to Microsoft not wanting to look bad next to the significant storage capabilities of the PS3's Blu-ray disc technology.
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They could simply put a 500gb HD in the 400 dollar 360 and install all the extra data, textures, whatever.

Plus it makes the 360 look that much better as the media center it's slowly turning into.

plutoblue11 · Aug 2, 2008

tinman said:

Castle Wolfenstein:

doom:

rage:

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First computer game I ever owned....

Wolfenstein 3D - Apogee Software (Shareware)

RC Cola · Aug 2, 2008

lpbman said:

They could simply put a 500gb HD in the 400 dollar 360 and install all the extra data, textures, whatever.

Plus it makes the 360 look that much better as the media center it's slowly turning into.
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How many 500GB 2.5" HDDs are there out there? Especially ones that could be included in a 360 and keep under $400 or so. Not that it would work anyway at this point since everyone with a 360 would have to purchase this HDD in order to play one or more games. Not quite that simple IMO.

And on top of that, this doesn't really solve the issue that Carmack has with Microsoft. He describes it much better in the video interview I posted, but basically his issue is not with hardware, but Microsoft's policy regarding disc storage. As you can imagine, Microsoft would prefer it if developers stuck to 1 disc for their games (in fact, this apparently a requirement early on). As a means of dissuading developers from putting out multi-disc games, developers (or technically publishers I guess) must pay an extra royalty fee for every extra disc they use. He doesn't seem to have a problem with just putting the game out on 3 (or even more discs if necessary), but this would mean they'd have to pay MS more and more money, which isn't exactly good for id's business plan I suppose.

lpbman · Aug 2, 2008

RC Cola said:

How many 500GB 2.5" HDDs are there out there? Especially ones that could be included in a 360 and keep under $400 or so. Not that it would work anyway at this point since everyone with a 360 would have to purchase this HDD in order to play one or more games. Not quite that simple IMO.

And on top of that, this doesn't really solve the issue that Carmack has with Microsoft. He describes it much better in the video interview I posted, but basically his issue is not with hardware, but Microsoft's policy regarding disc storage. As you can imagine, Microsoft would prefer it if developers stuck to 1 disc for their games (in fact, this apparently a requirement early on). As a means of dissuading developers from putting out multi-disc games, developers (or technically publishers I guess) must pay an extra royalty fee for every extra disc they use. He doesn't seem to have a problem with just putting the game out on 3 (or even more discs if necessary), but this would mean they'd have to pay MS more and more money, which isn't exactly good for id's business plan I suppose.
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Go external and you can use cheap 3.5", and in a year the 500gb 2.5's will come down or put in a 3.5 when they finish the die shrink redesign. My point was more that if you only have to use those extra disks once it's not a big deal and if you have a 60 or 80 gb PS3 vs a 500gb 360 it's going to look good for Microsoft, Blu-ray or not.

If it looks good for Microsoft, they wouldn't have the fees, at least according to the news clip.

RC Cola · Aug 2, 2008

Don't think Microsoft (or Sony) want game code stored on external HDDs, and 3.5" HDDs are too big for consoles (especially since both probably want to "slim" their consoles ala the PS2). I know it seems like a simple solution, but between these issues plus others such as splintering the usebase (20M 360s don't have 500GB HDDs), this isn't really an ideal solution.

DaDakota · Aug 2, 2008

RC Cola said:

Don't think Microsoft (or Sony) want game code stored on external HDDs, and 3.5" HDDs are too big for consoles (especially since both probably want to "slim" their consoles ala the PS2). I know it seems like a simple solution, but between these issues plus others such as splintering the usebase (20M 360s don't have 500GB HDDs), this isn't really an ideal solution.
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Flash ram...

DD

RC Cola · Aug 2, 2008

True. I think that's actually a good idea that both should take, especially as they try to make their consoles smaller. Still, I don't think they'd put in 500GB, but more like the capacities you see in the HDDs today (60GB-80GB, although 20GB might be more reasonable). Still have the other problems too.

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