What do you all think? I wouldn't have that big a problem with it except it appears it's easier for illegals already here to attain CITIZENSHIP than people in other countries. Getting a visa is one thing, citizenship and all that implies, is something totally different. I could be wrong on that, but I don't think so.
I understand trying to give people already here amnesty. What I don't understand is trying to do this before the borders are secure. It will just encourage more illegal immigration that we won't be able to stop.
As long as there's jobs to fill, I doubt there'll be momentum to stop illegal immigration and the incentives for illegals to come here.
Looks like it is time to get back into immigration law. The wierder and tougher they make it to adjust your status in this law , the better generally speaking it will be for the lawyers. Oh well, employment opportunity in a post-industrial USA. We will all be paying each other for hair cuts, gorditas at the restaurants, psychotherapy, spectator sports and legal services etc. Beats being a farmer or industrial worker.
Bah. Until the 50s we had completely uncontrolled borders and no complaints to speak of. It's only when non-citizens started asking for the handouts that we had started giving away that it became a "problem". Cut back on handouts, stop the ridiculous "War on Drugs", and the border problem suddenly is a much less important issue.
I think the idea of "illegal immigration" is ludicrous. The only thing they've done illegal is stay here. It's legal for them to come here. They're just legally supposed to leave. They should have some card that tells business owners that they can hire them? Certainly doesn't sound much like Free Market or Free Republic.
Do you really believe people should be able to cross borders like that without documentation? Let's not get ridiculous. Free Markets and Republics operate under the rule of law. I am fine with people coming in as long as they do it the right way. I am all for increasing the guest worker program.
It worked for this country for 175 years. I don't find many people that agree with me, but I think so-called illegal immigration only exposes problems in our country, it creates none.
They were less mobile, and tended to stay near the border. But Southern California farm workers and South and West Texas farm and ranch workers have almost always been Mexicans. From what I understand (the call to crack down on illegal immigrants began 25-30 years before I was born), documentation was almost unheard of prior to the 50s.
WOW. Yeah, these illegals should just get free education and healthcare while we pay. That makes sense. Just let them all in undocumented
I'm not for giving them free education and healthcare. (Well, I think churches and charitable organizations certainly should be helping in these areas.) I just think it's dumb that we make it illegal for them to be here.
i've given up on any form of rational legislation regarding immigration to come from DC. it's going to be up to cities and states to start regulating it similar to what farmers branch did. DC - please don't build a wall so we can all get out in 20 years. if there were a way to prevent illegals from abusing our education and health care facilities, along with a form of taxing the money sent out of the country i could care less about them being here. true they're gonna drink our water and drive on our roads but be honest they built most of them. it's a realization i've recently come to.
And, from my understanding, you have to leave the country to get the process started, and it takes 8+ years. If they weren't willing to wait when they came, why expect they are going to give up the life they've built, go back to Mexico, pay $5000, and waiting 8-10 years to come back. Maybe I misheard what the bill proposes, but from my understanding, it's a horribly stupid bill that really does nothing one way or another as everyone would simply ignore it.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/4818014.html from the chron: The bipartisan immigration deal that heads to the Senate floor next week contains provisions that a year ago were considered far too objectionable for Democrats to accept. Among them: • A truly temporary worker program: The deal would allow 400,000 foreigners yearly to come here and work for two years before returning home for a year. They could repeat the pattern twice more, but the vast majority wouldn't be permitted to obtain legal permanent residence or bring their families. Labor unions and other traditionally Democratic constituencies insist the workers must have a path to green cards and eventual citizenship. • Triggers: The temporary worker program and legalization for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants couldn't begin until the Bush administration certifies it has met certain "triggers: Creation of a high-tech employment verification system; construction of 370 miles of border fencing and 200 miles of vehicle barriers; hiring of 6,000 Border Patrol agents and rollout of border surveillance equipment such as unmanned aerial vehicles and radar towers. • Touchback: Illegal immigrants seeking to become legal permanent residents would have to return to their home country within an eight-year period to file their green card paperwork. Republicans insisted on what's known as the "touchback" provision because of the symbolism of making the immigrants begin their new lives with a legal entry into the U.S. Democrats, who insisted last year that the return-home provision was unworkable and too disruptive to immigrants' lives, dropped their objection this year. • Information sharing: The Department of Homeland Security would gain widespread access to Social Security Administration and Internal Revenue Service databases to enforce the law. Democrats complain that the loss of confidentiality would chill the plan of many illegal immigrants to come forward. maybe they just didn't list anything, but it mentions nothing about the illegals already here that don't wish to obtain permanent legal status. nor does it mention anything about punishing employers who hire illegals.
No, they can stay here with the Z visa. After 8 years of working here they can apply for full citizenship. Basically, it will give 12 million illegals amnesty. But there is a limit on new immigrants. But like you said, why won't everyone just ignore the limit?
From rodrick's post, here's the part I guess I was referring to: • Touchback: Illegal immigrants seeking to become legal permanent residents would have to return to their home country within an eight-year period to file their green card paperwork. Republicans insisted on what's known as the "touchback" provision because of the symbolism of making the immigrants begin their new lives with a legal entry into the U.S. Democrats, who insisted last year that the return-home provision was unworkable and too disruptive to immigrants' lives, dropped their objection this year. My understanding is that the greencard process can take 8-10 years for them - maybe that is wrong. But yeah, it seems like everyone would just continue what they are doing now and not disrupt their lives.
