helped in part by the large Pro-Bama black turnout. no surprise really, since Obama objects on religious grounds, like many of his supporters. [rquoter]Prop 8 supporters were relying Republican voters in rural areas, but also urban African-American voters like Christopher Miracle of Oakland, a 19-year student at nearby California State University Hayward. Mr. Miracle voted for Barack Obama, but voted to support Prop 8. "Look at the bible." he said. "It's not a man and a man."[/rquoter] folks in berkeley must be so proud.
it would be funny that basso is criticizing Dems for voting for a ban on gay marraige when the president he so defends ran on the same thing to beat Kerry If it weren't true
Agreed! He should have business cards made up. (anti- obama sneer aside -- basso's consistently posted in favor of recognizing gay marriage).
except when it comes to gwb and before you say I'm wrong, he once argued that by fighting in iraq, bush looks out for gay people's freedoms
Yeah, it's a sad, sad day in San Francisco, kind of blunting the Obama news. Not sure why basso has to go after Obama on this. If you want to see a breakdown of voting on Prop 8 by party affiliation... ain't pretty. But at any rate, it took bipartisan small-mindedness to pass such a hateful proposition. So many people I know here worked so hard on it, but we were outspent enormously by out-of-state conservative cash.
If you look at the exit polls, the largest opposition to marriage equality came from blacks and hispanics. Whites actually voted in favor of it (against Prop 8). I'd say it's not a party thing but, rather, a culture thing.
basso's posted a lot of goofy stuff. He also suggested GWB was the greatest pres for gay folks since he lowered tax on high income. But lets not turn this into a thread about basso. Maybe, just for today we can leave the partisan, and personal snipes aside. So what happens to those gay folks who did get married during California's brief brush with sanity? Do they have to turn in their certificates? Are their marriages automatically annulled? Are they entitled to alimony?
hearing prop 8 pass hurt the celebration of obama winning. its a shame really i voted against it, but we as a society should not discriminate against any person because of their race, religion, sexual orientation we are better than that. sad because I had a friend who was going to get married to her signifcant other next year. They have been together for close to 9 years now. especially a shame considering that if they consider marriage so "sacred" since the divorce rate in this country is so high. I wonder if there is a way to determine how many marriages occured since california allowed gay marriages and how many of them have since divorced. and of those divorced how many were gay marriages.
Could be in the courts for some time. But most of the gay married (sic ) couples I know are assuming they are SOL now -- that it just goes straight to annulment. It's really, really weird. I was an official witness at one of these ceremonies, just a couple of months ago, and now the state, based on its citizenry, will just say "sorry, but you don't have this right anymore. you are seriously flawed human beings. but maybe you can visit your loved one in an emergency room if you fill out all the proper paperwork. maybe."
The Attorney General said it would not impact those already married, but apparently there are groups prepared to challenge that in court. Anyway, I need this issue clarified. What is the difference between marriage and civil union and why do people who oppose gay marriage support civil unions? Futhermore, in California aren't Civil Unions still legal? I was under the impression that they gay couples in California would still be allowed to obtain all of the rights and protections of a married couple even if they weren't technically considered married. I need help. This issue is way above my pay grade.
To be fair, basso does (unintentionally maybe) raise an important point - how does Obama deal with the fact that a significant part of his supporters also support something like Prop 8? What does he say to other liberal voters who are appalled by what they (and myself, for that matter) view as discriminatory legislation? You might think "Hey, it's California, Obama can't control how they vote," but keep in mind that if Prop 8 is challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court, Obama will likely be forced to take a stand of some sort. This could especially be a problem if the challenge occurs around the time he has to appoint a new Supreme Court Justice. Furthermore, Prop 8's passage also raises the question of whether black evangelicals are likely to push for other morality-based legislation. If so, how will Obama deal with them without alienating other branches of his support?
no i'm not going to ignore basso's race baiting (again) when he is such a hypocrite on this issue. sorry edit: hypocrite by who he supports since he claims its so important to him
I don't think your friends have to worry. To apply this to marriages already in place would seem to make a law that "impairs the obligation of contracts" which is not allowed under the US Constitution.
Obama, like McCain, like Hillary Clinton, has spoken out against gay marriage. There is nothing for him to 'deal with.' I've just never heard of a situation where a 'right' was granted -- and then removed. WHere one couple can be married because they did so prior to the proposition coming into effect -- but another cannot. IT's all very bizarre. And in California, no less.
I'm very upset it has passed. My girlfriend is even more upset then I. It's really hard to not blame this on religion or religious beliefs but I don't see any other option it could be. Its so sad that people could be so selfish and descriminatory.
