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Process Brain is the Scourge of Our Time (Or. why the Rockets should WIN NOW and forever)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SamFisher, Jun 24, 2023.

  1. SamFisher

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    Fellows, I come here in admission of error. I have followed the Rockets for many years, as a child in the waning days of Moses Malone through the glory years of the 1990’s to He’s coMING to the (underrated, I daresay) Harden era.

    The Rise of Process Brain

    For many years in the halls of these fora, I used to pile on as the sporting establishment entered the information age. I thoroughly enjoyed positioning myself with the quants, despite having base-level excel skills, as the old-line jockocracy-industrial complex was upended by various Moreii, Prestii and Hinkieii - the acolytes of what I call Process Brain. The empty Jim Beam bottle-wielding scouts and their disheveled Denny’s grand slam breakfast-stained legal pads replaced with PERs and VORPS and Winshares and Second Spectrum and other such concoctions with which I could smugly smite my bbs enemies. It was glorious, and pathetic.

    But now, things have changed, or I have matured, or not, or both or neither. One, is that part of the fun of these things was the ego-boost that having some sort of hacked, secret knowledge quickly dissipates as it becomes common knowledge.

    Into the Takeoverse

    The second, and far more pervasive development, is that NBA Takes have outgrown the NBA itself - it was one thing when NBA takes were purveyed in limited quantities, in limited places. Newspapers. Magazines. A brief segment on the national show. Your local AM radio guys and various Homers and Bills calling in from Pasadena on a mobile. At that point, the games took primacy. The takes were limited. We spent more time watching, listening, and seeing actual basketball, and less time take-having

    The other thing about takes is that they are invariably negative; as takes are creatures of social media, their foundation is anger and insult to “maximize engagement” and sell you things. That’s the way the system is built.

    Houston and the Rockets in particular seemed to be particularly prone to the most negative aspects of take-dom, with the Harden era coinciding with the meteoric rise in takeology typified by “voices of the fan” like multi-hundred millionaire Bill Simmons and other such luminaries. Ringz culture, legacy conversation (legacy is imaginary people); Heated MVP debates - these are all fruit of this same poisonous tree.

    Inevitably these two streams converged, and takes now incorporate vast quantities of Process Brain conventional wisdom from team composition to play style to team building philosophy. Add 3 & D players, maximize rookie deals, trade down for more value, draft younger players, etc ad nauseum.

    We are told on this forum that we must suffer, and suffer, the Process way, for there is an omnipotent moral arbiter on top who sees our suffering and will one day reward us with glory. PUt up a 20 win season? Fine, you’ve tanked and set yourself up for the lottery. Another one? Stay the course, it takes time, they’re just 19. Another? Rome wasn’t built in a day. Oceans rise, empires fall, we will see each other through it all.

    This is all there is. There is no next thing.

    Gentlemen, I suggest to you that this is flawed. The God of Process Justice does not exist.

    I originally decided to watch the Houston Rockets basketball club to see them try to win basketball games. Because it was fun. Not as a real life exercise in optimizing a simulated outcome given a zillion other unpredictable variables that mostly depend on random chance.

    Each wasted season may launch a thousand posts by me, but those are ultimately just compensatory due to the fact that we fundamentally have a team and an organization that is devoted to Process Brain (which, btw, also makes the already obscenely-weealthy inherited owner and his children even more money in the short term) for the ostensible greater good.

    I would like the Rockets to try to be competitive and win games. Not to position themselves for a theoretical championship in 2030. It frankly reminds me of the transparent garbage of Long-Termism - a maximum copium movement dreamed up to allow the ultra wealthy to plow their wealth into vanity projects for fun in order to maximize injustice and cruelty today to “prevent” utterly unforeseeable future harm.


    TL;DR - Rockets should try to sign Harden or trade for established vets, going into the season with a team that is going to lose 70% of the time makes me not want to watch after 3 years of this ****.
     
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  2. clos4life

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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  3. larsv8

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    Looks like fair weather fandom to me.
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    Man three years of loosing really makes people have mental health issues.

    Dude the young guys you are giving no hope to played 2 nba seasons at ages 19-21. Stop it dude. If you hate the direction so bad just give up on the team and you can follow the Heat or something.

    Man i don't know how you guys would handle being fans of teams like the Magic or Hornets who have been bad for entire decade stretches.
     
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  5. invocux

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    So you are a rightfully impatient old f*rt whose one foot in the grave that wants to see another championship before leaving us. Therefore we should speed up the process. Just for you. Not going to happen old man you are gonna suffer with rest of us. Just pray that you make it to the year 2028.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    @SamFisher is the reactionary pundit that he hates when it comes to politics(hates reactionary conservatives rhetoric. I do too).

    Why do you speak like such a boomer when it comes to basketball?
     
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  7. Haymitch

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    I wonder if Spurs fans are talking about the perils of tanking.

    But for real, most strategies will "fail" in a sense. Tanking is logical. It might mean that after 4 years we still don't have that guy, but at least we have young and interesting players who could maybe be used in a trade for the next disgruntled that guy, which seems to happen every 6 months or so.
     
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  8. pmac

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    Dude, we tanked for 2.5 years after not tanking in forever (the 1st yr we were actually trying to win early on we just sucked after the Harden trade). And, the team has made it very public that they plan to sign vets this offseason and compete.

    You can step off the ledge now.

    You could actually make the argument that we've tanked less than any other NBA team in the last 20 years.
     
  9. dmoneybangbang

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    This. Even though we haven't won a championship, we've been to the playoffs 13 of 23 times since 2000. It's just hurts more since we just tanked.
     
  10. OremLK

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    May I humbly suggest that if you aren't interested in discussing the ins and outs of specific draft decisions, roster moves, and so on, maybe engaging with fan forums/subreddits/podcasts/etc isn't for you?

    Maybe you should just... watch the games? Or don't, if you hate the current product so much? Maybe come back and watch them when the team doesn't suck?

    Seems like you're trying to make this more complicated and nefarious than it is. From my perspective, it's fairly simple:
    1. I enjoy thinking about and discussing the "process" you're so irritated by. It's fun. It's like a game for me.
    2. I want the Rockets to win a championship.
    3. I am not interested in watching twenty years of "competitive basketball" that never goes to the NBA finals, let alone wins a championship.
    4. That way lies Knicks fandom.
    That is all.
     
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  11. Tuckmose

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    13 of 23 isn't that impressive when over half the teams make the playoffs anyways, those Post-Yao Pre-Harden years were what I'd call hopeless, and if the rebuild peaks at that, you have to call it a failure.
     
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    To know the post is to understand the poster. I made a discovery. Had I been a 10 year old in 1980, I would have lived through 1998 only experiencing 2 losing seasons.
     
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  14. dmoneybangbang

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    Nah, it's better than most teams but not elite. Half full vs half empty
     
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  15. SamFisher

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    There's another part to my original hypothesis that i forgot to include that relates to this:.

    How the Takeoverse drives Process Brain

    One of the ways in which the primacy of the NBA takeoverse exerts itself over fans watching and enjoying basketball is that many of our thought leaders in takedom (zach Lowe, KOC, etc) frequently infuse process brain into their takes to assure us we're on the right track.

    The difference is, those guys are not fans of teams rather they are assiduously devoted at least to the self-belief of neutrality (which is probably a delusion, but that's another thread).

    Accordingly it's very easy for them to say "Houston is on the right track, trust the process" as they frequently do, because they never actually have to watch. The ironic part is when they do actually have to watch they pronounce the Rockets -- and this is a direct quote from Lowe multiple times this season -- to be "absolutely unwatchable "

    ....
    and they're right!
    .... they were!
    .... and we as fans had to watch, when they didn't.

    I actually find myself now closer to the Takeology of Jeff Van Gundy - who regards not even attempting to field competitive teams and more importantly - the general acceptance of it in the name of Process Brain, to be an insult on a fundamental, irreparable level.

    He probably says this at least in part because as a coach - he has to watch. He didn't have the luxury of dreamcasting nebulous future glory in the service of present day misery - he was miserable enough already!

    If we as fans of a team, and not Age of Ultron Process Brainiacs, are going to gravitate to a bald white guy's take, I'd rather it be acerbic as hell Jeff Van Gundy than smug ass Patagonia vest Sam "Longest View in the Room" Hinkie.

    This ain't the quarterly strategy meeting. It's supposed to be fun!
     
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  16. Invisible Fan

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    The first Process forced the league to tweak the lottery odds. I don't think it disincentivzed tanking, but it does spread the shittiest teams around.

    The main thing about Hyping Hinke's Process was that it gave **** management the perfume of appearing smart or visionary.

    Once the cat was out the bag by the second season, the **** teams will still stink and the "visionary" folk have to eat fan and media criticism while jumping onto the next hidden edge.

    Time to pay the piper Patty and Stone.

    Better pray Udoka can roll out seven basketballs for training camp and somehow develop and turn a few teens into nba ready playoff starters.
     
  17. Francis3422

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    Remember that this is the result of us not drafting at all in the first round for multiple years, and having such a sustained stretch of success. Maybe retrospectively we should’ve tried harder as an organization to have a young player or two in the wings during the harden era, and then we wouldn’t have had to suck so bad to refill the cupboards.

    I am proud of you though for taking a few moments to not just post some negative trash you are really emerging from Bobbythegreat shadow in a positive way. And considering you really do have such a long history on the board of quality I am hoping that you stick to this.

    now the way I see it is……you tank for a few years, but then you accelerate the process by trading some of those prospects and signing free agents. It seems to me that the mistake a lot of teams make is relying on their young players to accelerate the growth more quickly than is actually feasible.

    I am thinking that we are going to attempt to avoid that mistake and so I am pleased. I think it’s going to come down though to needing to trade one of these higher ranked prospects in order to bring in a more star variety type of veteran. It will be absolutely critical that we make the right decision there.
     
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  18. SamFisher

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    "I enjoy having Process Brain"

    That's fine, you can continue to enjoy it!

    You can also read the opinions of those who don't - it's not going to hurt you.

    I do think though this post is indicative of the smug implied morality of having Process Brain.

    Like, if you don't trust the process, you end up as the morally reprehensible (from the process brain moral universe ( Knicks (cue the iconic picture of Daryl in the front row at MSG)

    Buddy, i went to Knicks games alot from 2000-2015 or so. Maybe 5x a year The fans that were there went because they were fans of the team. They weren't lesser people than you because their GM was Phil Jackson or Isiah Thomas. They had nothing to do with JD & the Straight Shot.

    They were fans of the team. They went there to see the team win.

    There's something to be said for that.
     
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    Please stop watching and posting. Although, this was a hilarious try at seeming intelligent, while trumpeting the same tired take that everyone is sick of hearing.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    We're about to enter the 4th straight year of being a 20-30 win caliber team.

    I know that people like to subtract a year from the Tank clock and argue it really starts at year 1, not year 0, but we had to live through that year.
     

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