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"Priest kicked me out of Mass because of Obama signs"

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  1. BetterThanEver

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    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10968645?source=most_emailed

    Fairfield woman: Priest kicked me out of Mass because of Obama signs
    By Ryan Chalk


    A Fairfield woman whose car was adorned with celebratory signs for President-elect Barack Obama says she is furious that a priest singled her out during Mass Sunday morning and ordered her to leave.

    Elizabeth Caster said the Rev. Sebastian Meyer humiliated her in front of the congregation at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Fairfield, saying from the pulpit, "We cannot have a car with Obama signs written on it on these premises. And I don't care who Obama is."

    He continued: "I want this car off the premises in 10 minutes or it will be towed. Whoever's vehicle this is, I want it removed. I don't want to see that car anywhere around here," she said.

    Meyer did not return calls. An attempt to speak to him in person ended abruptly Wednesday morning when he announced, "No, we're not writing that," and reportedly lunged at a reporter, attempting to snatch the reporter's notebook away.

    That incident was reported to police and the Diocese of Sacramento, which oversees Roman Catholic churches in the Fairfield area.

    Kevin Eckery, a spokesman for the diocese, said that because police had been notified, he couldn't comment on any specifics involving Wednesday's incident.

    Still, he acknowledged the right of the reporter to ask questions.

    Caster said the priest followed her and her 10-year-old son out of the church and refused to let her move her Toyota Sequoia, which was parked between two other cars in a loading zone outside the church, anywhere else in the parking lot.

    Caster, who was contacted by many concerned church members the next day, believes it was the Obama slogans that riled the priest. Among those who watched Sunday's incident was Joanne Smith, who said she has seen vehicles parked in the yellow zone with signs supporting John McCain. She also was curious about why Caster's vehicle was singled out.

    Caster's husband, Joe, had stayed home that morning because he was feeling ill. He was outraged when she called to tell him about it.

    "Her right to free speech was violated," he said.

    The Casters say they have given $25 a week to the church for the past six years, but that has come to an end.

    Peggy Sherrod, a parishioner since 1989 who teaches a religious study session to sixth-graders, also witnessed the incident and said it made her sad.

    "It took a lot out of me to sit there and not walk out," Sherrod said.

    Eckery said Meyer told him that he was merely concerned about an illegally parked vehicle that was partially blocking access to the church.

    Meyer told Eckery he admitted leaving the pulpit to make the announcement and only referenced the Obama writing to identify the car.

    "The congregation and Father Sebastian are very sorry for any misunderstanding and there certainly was no intent to say anything bad about our president-elect," Eckery said.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Religion is and has always been divisive.

    The world needs to grow up.

    DD
     
  3. Beck

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    I viewed the priest as the problem.
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    This is so simple to fix.

    Investigate. If true, revoke tax status immediately. Religions are all the same in their allegiance to money.

    PERIOD.
     
  5. Beck

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    The legitimacy of such a statement is highly dependent on the church in question.
     
  6. rhadamanthus

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    lol. Well done. That was unfair of me.
     
  7. Surfguy

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    Some priest he is. Sounds like he is going to hell. I would have walked out of that church right then and there.

    Someone should park a car in the lot that says "Meyer opposes free speech!" and "Meyer is the devil!". See how he likes that. Have to wonder if this priest isn't a racist. I'm not buying their follow-up explanation about it was just a car illegally parked...not after reading what he said.
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    No, it's all religion like DaDakota says.
     
  9. BetterThanEver

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  10. DonnyMost

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    Pretty much.

    America will eventually grow out of it like the rest of the world has.
     
  11. fmullegun

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    hahahahahah


    yeah obviously america is so far behind the times in this area.

    Geez try to contain your contempt for all things USA.
     
  12. Master Baiter

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    We are behind the times as far as religion is concerned. It's almost non existant in Europe and the little bit that is, for the most part, very tempered.

    What a stupid statement to assume that because you think religion is ridiculous that you have contempt for America. That attitude is a part of the problem here.
     
  13. ima_drummer2k

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    Yet, you don’t have a problem with someone saying that people who practice their own faith just need to “grow up”? You don’t think that’s even a little bit condescending?
     
  14. fmullegun

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    religion is non-existant in europe?

    Are you being serious right now?
     
  15. Master Baiter

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    I said almost non-existant. Religion in the American context doesn't exist at all.
     
  16. Master Baiter

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    I can see where that would be condescending. I don't disagree with the statement though since I see American religion to be almost as perverted as Islam is in the Middle East.
     
  17. fmullegun

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    Ok so define "almost non-existant" because to me that would mean much much less than 50% and probably close to under 10%.

    You agree?
     
  18. rhadamanthus

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    Master Baiter is correct in his assertion regarding religion in Europe.

    You are trying to paint him into a corner regarding numbers, but I think his real point is in regards to influence.

    Outside of italy, religion in europe is just a sunday ritual with little or no social impact.
     
  19. MadMax

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    ireland is more like italy that way.
     
  20. Roxfan73

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    Truthed up that quote.
     

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