http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1342 Some key measurements... J.J. Redick - 6'4" (6' 4.75" in shoes) Maurice Ager - 6' 3.25" (6' 4.5" in shoes) Ronnie Brewer - 6' 5.75" (6' 6.75" in shoes) Rodney Carney - 6' 4.5" (6' 5.75" in shoes) Brandon Roy - 6' 5.25" (6' 6.25" in shoes) Adam Morrison - 6' 6.5" (6' 7.75" in shoes) Rudy Gay - 6'7" (6'8" in shoes) Steve Novak - 6'8" (6' 9.25" in shoes) Tyrus Thomas - 6' 7.25" (6' 8.25" in shoes) Shelden Williams - 6' 7.5" (6' 8.5" in shoes) - Interesting that Brewer's got that extra inch on Carney. Personally, I hope that sways some people that are on the fence about these two. - Redick appears to be 3/4" taller in shoes than expected. - Tyrus is even more undersized to play PF than Shelden. - Roy looks to be a legit 6'6" and then some in shoes.
looking at that list i already wanted redick over carney but i feel better about it considering he's only 3/4" shorter. i also really really want roy to fall to us. he seems like a potential starting two for a long ass time.
Ok I really think a lot of the anti-redick members just got egg on their faces. Over and over people tried to say Redick was much bigger than people though, wow an inch shorter than Carney and 2 inches than Brewer. Suddenly all the 4 or 5 inch difference posts went south. Also you can forget about all the sentiment that Carney and Brewe can play the 3 as starters and not be undersized they are not "dynamic swingmen" by size either. See this right here is proof that people were just bashing redick for no reason, many people knew there was no way he was 4 or 5 inches shorter than Carney and Brewer.
Sorry, but you got to look at their wingspans to determine that. Having a big wingspan is practically as important as height because pretty much everything is dependent on your arms (reaching for the ball, blocking shots, getting a hand in someone's face). In fact standing reach is probably the best measurement IMO, because it standardizes the wingspan and height so that you have one number to compare everybody with. I was hoping that they'd have wingspan and standing reach listed on here, but I guess we'll have to wait on that one.
I think Brewer's wingspan is 6-11 and don't know Carney's, Roy's is 6-9. However your opinion on that is wrong. They would STILL be undersized at SF whether you like it or not.
Wait look at the listings again......... Carney is actually 6-4 1/2 barefoot not 6-4 3/4 Carney is actually half an inch taller than Redick. Can't believe people want him over Redick.
Hey when you got a 6'7" Shawn Marion playing PF and a 6'8" Boris Diaw playing Center, all bets are off about player heights whether you like it or not.
Redick is slightly taller than listed, which is good to see (as I fear we may somehow take him at #8), but m_cable makes a good point about wingspan. Also, why would Ronnie Brewer suddenly be unable to play SF? He only measured out a 1/4 inch under what was originally listed. It's his 6'11" wingspan and athleticism that allow him to do it in the first place, less so than his actual height. Josh Howard has an eerily similar body type and he seems to be doing just fine at SF on his way to an NBA championship.
I am failing to see how any of this explains the insistence of so many here that Redick is too small, you seem to be contradicting everything.
Putting words that were not typed in there. What I stated was not that, I stated a fact. I never said he could not play SF, I said he would be smaller than normal and really not legit size for a starting SF. If you want to argue fine. It doesn't matter because T-Mac is the 3 anyway and Brewer would be plenty big as a backup 3 or starting 2 or switching with T-Mac at 2 and 3. All I was saying is that is different from the board's view that he WAS an average size starting SF, which he simply is not. As for Carmey no way in hell is he big enough.
Now who's putting words that were not typed in there. Did I say anything about Redick? I was just responding to your statement that it's suddenly a fact that Brewer and Carney are too small to play SF. I don't have a problem with Redick. But in my mind Brewer has clearly separated himself as my top choice at #8. As for Redick vs. Carney, I'd like to get some more info (namely their combine test results and this rumor about Redick's back problem), before I form an opinion one way or the other. BTW: Brewer checking in at 6'6 3/4" 223 lbs, with a 6'11" wingspan, 12' leap, and 19 reps at 185 spells SF-capable.
Do you realize how many 6-10 SF's there are in the league? I'm dropping this right now because it's follish to even argue that when we all know it is undersized and T-Mac would be the 3 anyway. Now I just found out that Seattle is shopping the #10 pick in exchange for a 2007 first round pick (top 5 protected) and cash. Ok here's what we do. We trade the 2007 first round pick and cash to Seattle for the #10 pick. With the #8 pick we draft Ronnie Brewer. Then with the #10 pick we draft JJ Redick. We get Redick and Brewer and make out like bandits all for cash and the 2007 first rounder, which would definitely NOT bring a Brewer or a Redick if the team was healthy or probably not even if it wasn't. Brewer, Redick, then use the MLE -------> BINGO
I'm not so sure that the consensus on this board was that Brewer is an ideal starting SF in the first place... I'm pretty sure it was that he is a legitimate starting SG with the ability to play and defend PGs and SFs when necessary/sensical... That said, there's no reason he couldn't play starter's minutes at the SF positions at his size.
"We all know." Ha. Who made you the smartest guy in the room? You know dismissive "Because I said so" arguments are not very constructive. In terms of starters? Maybe 5-7. Maybe up to 10. Off the top of my head, I can think of Rashard, Peja, Jalen Rose, Villanueva. Seems like there are more 6'7"-6'8" guys than 6'9"-6'10" SFs in the league. Go ahead and drop it if you want. I think it's more foolish for you to make such sweeping generalizations, and over-reaching pronouncements in your quest to protect Redick's honor at all costs.
Here's a list of some guys that don't have a problem playing SF at 6'7" or shorter... Ricky Davis Matt Harpring Ron Artest Josh Howard Desmond Mason Bruce Bowen Gerald Wallace Caron Butler Andres Nocioni Bobby Simmons Andre Iguodala Quentin Richardson Richard Jefferson Wally Szczerbiak Paul Pierce Here's a list of all the guys I could find that are 6'10" or over, and regularly spend time at the SF position (and are even worth mentioning): Charlie Villanueva Toni Kukoc Hidayet Turkoglu Jared Jeffries Dirk Nowitzki Keith Van Horn Robert Horry Kevin Garnett Rashard Lewis Zarko Cabarkapa Vladimir Radmanovic Walter McCarty Peja Stojakovic Lamar Odom Tim Thomas I highlighted all the players that I would actually be concerned about, considering Brewer's length, strength, and defensive prowess. Three of them don't even primarily play the SF anyway.
Where are you getting 6'6" from? It's common knowledge that basketball heights are rounded up with shoes on. 6' 6.75" is 6'7". So anybody listed in the NBA at 6'7" is the same height as Brewer, give or take fractions of an inch. There are LOTS of guys like that who play SF including, but not limited to, the guys I listed for you.
Because you had to open your big mouth. I keed, I keed. The only reason I'm arguing the point is because I believe that Brewer has the physical tools to be a Marion/Diaw type combo forward, and create major mismatches next to Mcgrady at the foward spots. Maybe not full time, but in certain situations it would be extremely lethal. Obviously you don't feel the same, so I'm willing to drop the discussion too.
1. You and cable are being very odd here because your argument is actually anti-Brewer mine is pro-Brewer If you are right then he isn't going to be quick enough to guard 2's and guess what no way in hell he gets drafted with a guy that wears #1 on the team. He BETTER damn well be a SG, which he is MORE of a SG/Sf than a SF. Surely ANY Rocket fan would grasp this. My point ws he is not a replacement for T-Mac like many here were saying he's more a SG. Which guess what? He BETTER be. Arguing a thing that would fit better (SG) with something that would clash (SF) is assinine. 2, WRONG they do NOT round up heights. This is how they do it, they take your height barefoot and add 1.25 inches for all players. Because as you can see shoe sizes of soles vary greatly. They do NOT round up. So in Brewer's case then yes he would be 6-7. They actually ROUND DOWN. This common knowledge about rounding up is wrong as wrong can be. Example Brewer at 6-5 3/4 plus 1 1/4 = 6-7 even Carney at 6-4 1/2 plus 1 1/4 = 6-5 3/4 GUESS WHAT? That does NOT round up then to 6-6 it rounds DOWN to 6-5. Carney would be listed at 6-5. Redick at 6-4 barefoot would then add 1 1/4 to go to 6-5 1/4 that is rounded DOWN to 6-5. And YES even 3/4 of an inch are rounded DOWN also players can choose to be listed barefoot, and if barefoot it can be rounded down or up. in case you wonder about the Yao 7-5 or yao 7-6 issue this whole craziness is why. But they most definitely do not round up. As for Brewer "6-7" 6-11 wingspan 223 I'm not saying that isn't SF size, I'm saying it's SG/SF size, and believe it or not that is actually a good thing. What if they drafted Gay? WTF Where does he play where does T-Mac play? T-Mac made clear he wants to be a SF from now on. So apparently my point was totally lost here.
