Power Forwards: Just some numbers

Rocket River · Dec 13, 2000

Rebounds
G Min PPG RPG APG Off- Def- Tot AST Stl BLK To PF

Chris Webber 17 682 26.2 11.7 3.5 41- 157- 198 60 22 38 53 64
Rasheed Wallace 22 859 20.6 8.1 2.6 38- 140- 178 56 28 54 49 57
Dale Davis 23 693 7.4 9.0 1.3 80- 127- 207 30 13 28 25 63
Tim Duncan 20 743 19.1 12.0 2.7 66- 174- 240 54 14 41 63 62
Dirk Nowitzki 23 791 18.8 8.4 1.9 27- 165- 192 44 14 28 44 56
Eduardo Najera 18 231 4.1 2.6 0.6 26- 21- 47 11 8 5 10 29
Antonio Mcdyess 22 758 20.3 10.7 1.9 66- 169- 235 41 10 27 62 74
Kevin Garnett 22 871 23.4 10.6 3.7 60- 172- 232 81 25 34 64 64
Karl Malone 20 764 23.2 9.9 4.4 37- 162- 199 87 23 18 69 56
Othella Harrington 21 641 11.2 6.8 1.1 54- 89- 143 23 8 9 55 65
Maurice Taylor 20 531 10.0 4.0 1.0 18- 62- 80 20 4 11 39 57
Kenny Thomas 18 415 7.1 4.9 1.2 25- 64- 89 21 11 12 34 42
Marcus Fizer 19 435 7.6 4.4 1.3 27- 57- 84 24 12 7 34 49
Elton Brand 18 684 19.3 10.1 2.1 76- 106- 182 38 17 30 46 63
Brian Grant 22 790 16.7 10.8 1.7 68- 170- 238 37 21 29 58 72
Theo Ratliff 21 713 12.3 8.1 0.9 45- 125- 170 19 13 82 53 70
Juwan Howard 21 745 14.5 7.7 2.3 48- 114- 162 48 18 6 65 73
Austin Croshere 20 581 10.7 7.2 1.4 45- 98- 143 27 18 19 45 51
Jonathan Bender 18 212 3.3 1.6 0.8 5- 24- 29 14 3 9 19 25

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Rocket River · Dec 13, 2000

I hate that it takes out Spacing
maybe I'll Reformat it when I get a Minute

Rocket River

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Rocket River · Dec 13, 2000

how do you get formatting . . .

Rocket River

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Clutch · Dec 13, 2000

Here....

<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr bgcolor="#cccccc"><td valign="top">Name</td><td valign="top">G</td><td>Min</td><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>APG</td><td>Off</td><td>Def</td><td>Tot</td><td>AST</td><td>Stl</td><td>BLK</td><td>To</td><td>PF</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Chris Webber</td><td>17</td><td>682</td><td>26.2</td><td>11.7</td><td>3.5</td><td>41</td><td>157</td><td>198</td><td>60</td><td>22</td><td>38</td><td>53</td><td>64</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Rasheed Wallace</td><td>22</td><td>859</td><td>20.6</td><td>8.1</td><td>2.6</td><td>38</td><td>140</td><td>178</td><td>56</td><td>28</td><td>54</td><td>49</td><td>57</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Dale Davis</td><td>23</td><td>693</td><td>7.4</td><td>9.0</td><td>1.3</td><td>80</td><td>127</td><td>207</td><td>30</td><td>13</td><td>28</td><td>25</td><td>63</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Tim Duncan</td><td>20</td><td>743</td><td>19.1</td><td>12.0</td><td>2.7</td><td>66</td><td>174</td><td>240</td><td>54</td><td>14</td><td>41</td><td>63</td><td>62</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Dirk Nowitzki</td><td>23</td><td>791</td><td>18.8</td><td>8.4</td><td>1.9</td><td>27</td><td>165</td><td>192</td><td>44</td><td>14</td><td>28</td><td>44</td><td>56</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Eduardo Najera</td><td>18</td><td>231</td><td>4.1</td><td>2.6</td><td>0.6</td><td>26</td><td>21</td><td>47</td><td>11</td><td>8</td><td>5</td><td>10</td><td>29</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Antonio Mcdyess</td><td>22</td><td>758</td><td>20.3</td><td>10.7</td><td>1.9</td><td>66</td><td>169</td><td>235</td><td>41</td><td>10</td><td>27</td><td>62</td><td>74</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Kevin Garnett</td><td>22</td><td>871</td><td>23.4</td><td>10.6</td><td>3.7</td><td>60</td><td>172</td><td>232</td><td>81</td><td>25</td><td>34</td><td>64</td><td>64</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Karl Malone</td><td>20</td><td>764</td><td>23.2</td><td>9.9</td><td>4.4</td><td>37</td><td>162</td><td>199</td><td>87</td><td>23</td><td>18</td><td>69</td><td>56</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Othella Harrington</td><td>21</td><td>641</td><td>11.2</td><td>6.8</td><td>1.1</td><td>54</td><td>89</td><td>143</td><td>23</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>55</td><td>65</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Maurice Taylor</td><td>20</td><td>531</td><td>10.0</td><td>4.0</td><td>1.0</td><td>18</td><td>62</td><td>80</td><td>20</td><td>4</td><td>11</td><td>39</td><td>57</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Kenny Thomas</td><td>18</td><td>415</td><td>7.1</td><td>4.9</td><td>1.2</td><td>25</td><td>64</td><td>89</td><td>21</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>34</td><td>42</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Marcus Fizer</td><td>19</td><td>435</td><td>7.6</td><td>4.4</td><td>1.3</td><td>27</td><td>57</td><td>84</td><td>24</td><td>12</td><td>7</td><td>34</td><td>49</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Elton Brand</td><td>18</td><td>684</td><td>19.3</td><td>10.1</td><td>2.1</td><td>76</td><td>106</td><td>182</td><td>38</td><td>17</td><td>30</td><td>46</td><td>63</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Brian Grant</td><td>22</td><td>790</td><td>16.7</td><td>10.8</td><td>1.7</td><td>68</td><td>170</td><td>238</td><td>37</td><td>21</td><td>29</td><td>58</td><td>72</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Theo Ratliff</td><td>21</td><td>713</td><td>12.3</td><td>8.1</td><td>0.9</td><td>45</td><td>125</td><td>170</td><td>19</td><td>13</td><td>82</td><td>53</td><td>70</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Juwan Howard</td><td>21</td><td>745</td><td>14.5</td><td>7.7</td><td>2.3</td><td>48</td><td>114</td><td>162</td><td>48</td><td>18</td><td>6</td><td>65</td><td>73</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td valign="top">Austin Croshere</td><td>20</td><td>581</td><td>10.7</td><td>7.2</td><td>1.4</td><td>45</td><td>98</td><td>143</td><td>27</td><td>18</td><td>19</td><td>45</td><td>51</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td valign="top">Jonathan Bender</td><td>18</td><td>212</td><td>3.3</td><td>1.6</td><td>0.8</td><td>5</td><td>24</td><td>29</td><td>14</td><td>3</td><td>9</td><td>19</td><td>25</td></tr></table>

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Rocket River · Dec 13, 2000

Clutch you are a LifeSaver. . .
I just want to see how bad Our PFs are.

Rocket River
I''ll learn that trick one day

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alaskansnowman · Dec 13, 2000

Damn thats a nice lookin table...

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vj23k · Dec 13, 2000

Rock River, most of those guys ARE better htan our guys. but that doesnt make them bad. ALso, isnt bender more of a SG?. I know hes 6'10/6'11, but i heard that he's too soft to play either forward spots.

GATER · Dec 13, 2000

Clutch (or anybody) -
Do ya'all do that in HTML or what?

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DaDakota · Dec 13, 2000

Jamison,

Where is my man Jamison?

DaDakota

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DaDakota · Dec 13, 2000

Here are Jamison's stats.

Antawn Jamison 22 899 24.4 8.4 1.9 73- 112- 185 41 28 8 62 68

and yes I know he is technically a small forward, but he is playing PF with Fortson out.

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desihooper · Dec 13, 2000

But when u put them both together:

17.1 points
8.9 boards
2.2 dimes

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OldManBernie · Dec 14, 2000

But I don't see any PFs playing 946 minutes, their productions really do leave a lot to be desired for.

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jamcracker · Dec 14, 2000

You don't have to use tables. This looks great in my Nscape 4.7x with a pre tag and a courier font tag:

<pre>
Rebounds
G Min PPG RPG APG Off- Def- Tot AST Stl BLK To PF

Chris Webber 17 682 26.2 11.7 3.5 41- 157- 198 60 22 38 53 64
Rasheed Wallace 22 859 20.6 8.1 2.6 38- 140- 178 56 28 54 49 57
Dale Davis 23 693 7.4 9.0 1.3 80- 127- 207 30 13 28 25 63
Tim Duncan 20 743 19.1 12.0 2.7 66- 174- 240 54 14 41 63 62
Dirk Nowitzki 23 791 18.8 8.4 1.9 27- 165- 192 44 14 28 44 56
Eduardo Najera 18 231 4.1 2.6 0.6 26- 21- 47 11 8 5 10 29
Antonio Mcdyess 22 758 20.3 10.7 1.9 66- 169- 235 41 10 27 62 74
Kevin Garnett 22 871 23.4 10.6 3.7 60- 172- 232 81 25 34 64 64
Karl Malone 20 764 23.2 9.9 4.4 37- 162- 199 87 23 18 69 56
Othella Harrington 21 641 11.2 6.8 1.1 54- 89- 143 23 8 9 55 65
Maurice Taylor 20 531 10.0 4.0 1.0 18- 62- 80 20 4 11 39 57
Kenny Thomas 18 415 7.1 4.9 1.2 25- 64- 89 21 11 12 34 42
Marcus Fizer 19 435 7.6 4.4 1.3 27- 57- 84 24 12 7 34 49
Elton Brand 18 684 19.3 10.1 2.1 76- 106- 182 38 17 30 46 63
Brian Grant 22 790 16.7 10.8 1.7 68- 170- 238 37 21 29 58 72
Theo Ratliff 21 713 12.3 8.1 0.9 45- 125- 170 19 13 82 53 70
Juwan Howard 21 745 14.5 7.7 2.3 48- 114- 162 48 18 6 65 73
Austin Croshere 20 581 10.7 7.2 1.4 45- 98- 143 27 18 19 45 51
Jonathan Bender 18 212 3.3 1.6 0.8 5- 24- 29 14 3 9 19 25
</pre>

I just cut and pasted Rocket River's original post and moved the "Rebounds" text over a bit. Then added the pre tag and the courier font tag. Easy. Honest.

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CompaqC · Dec 14, 2000

WOW!

Mo' is outrebounding Eduardo Najera and Jonathan Bender! what a relief

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Rocket River · Dec 14, 2000

The Fizer Vs KT comparison
does jump out as a reason to get the guy
KT is *as* good or better

I think the Mo/KT Combo isn't *that* bad

Rocket River

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heypartner · Dec 14, 2000

Jamcracker: awesome tip, thanks!

KT is better than Fizer. Fizer looks at least 2 inches shorter, doesn't have the athleticism of Barkley as proclaimed, and doesn't have KT's speed, thus all his "power" and "explosiveness" will be well defended in the league.

KT is not there, yet. There is some potential to realize still, and he may not do it. But his speed is rare. Rarer than anything Fizer is showing.

Fizer would do very well just to tailor his game after Adrian Dantley and low post-headfake his way to the free throw line. But Dantley did that in the pre-rotation defense era of the NBA. Plus, Dantley did nothing for his teammates, by giving no defense/rebounding. IMO, Fizer is going to have to have an awesome fadeaway jumper if he is to go anywhere at the PF spot.

Live · Dec 14, 2000

I agree, heypartner. KT has some potential, and is a more explosive athlete than Fizer. KT would be so much better when/if he ever adds a solid turnaround to compliment the spin moves and up-and-unders. I'd also like to see him go up and finish stronger, a la Barkley. Just go up strong and nasty, as if he's trying to tear the rim down when he goes to finish. Shandon could use that advice, too.

The key to Fizer being successful is going to be his ability to draw PFs out on the floor and using his ball-handling, driving ability and solid outside shooting, which was the name of his game at ISU. He also could stand to follow Corliss's lead and lose some weight in order to get quicker. But he can be a solid pro, a better version of Corliss.

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PhiSlammaJamma · Dec 14, 2000

Most scouts are saying that while Fizer hasn't demonstrated anything..he still has the total package. I'd be careful to judge him so quickly.

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crash5179 · Dec 14, 2000

Originally posted by CompaqC:
WOW!

Mo' is outrebounding Eduardo Najera and Jonathan Bender! what a relief

Click to expand...

only in total rebounds not in rebounds per minute. If you figure up total rebounds per minute he is dead last. and only dale davis has fewer points for a PF that has logged at least as many minutes as Mo.

Mo is clearly the worst PF on that stat sheet.

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haven · Dec 14, 2000

I've been trying oh so hard to resist gloating about Fizer... but the guy isn't nearly as good as some predicted, and I'm feeling more vindicated with every passing second .

Fizer isn't fast, doesn't have a great shot, possesses few moves, and can't play defense. What passed for "explosiveness" ini college is quite ordinary in the NBA... everyone has it.

I remember someone on this board once saying tat Fizer looked like a man among boys in college. The more I think of it, the more this seems accurate... his game matured quickly, but isn't really exceptional.

Fizer still reminds me of Gary Trent, btw.

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