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Powell backs International team to monitor presidential election.

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  1. mc mark

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    International team to monitor presidential election
    Observers will be part of OSCE's human rights office
    From David de Sola
    CNN
    Monday, August 9, 2004 Posted: 0022 GMT (0822 HKT)



    SPECIAL REPORT

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A team of international observers will monitor the presidential election in November, according to the U.S. State Department.

    The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe was invited to monitor the election by the State Department. The observers will come from the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights.

    It will be the first time such a team has been present for a U.S. presidential election.

    "The U.S. is obliged to invite us, as all OSCE countries should," spokeswoman Urdur Gunnarsdottir said. "It's not legally binding, but it's a political commitment. They signed a document 10 years ago to ask OSCE to observe elections."

    Thirteen Democratic members of the House of Representatives, raising the specter of possible civil rights violations that they said took place in Florida and elsewhere in the 2000 election, wrote to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan in July, asking him to send observers.

    After Annan rejected their request, saying the administration must make the application, the Democrats asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to do so.

    The issue was hotly debated in the House, and Republicans got an amendment to a foreign aid bill that barred federal funds from being used for the United Nations to monitor U.S. elections, The Associated Press reported.

    In a letter dated July 30 and released last week, Assistant Secretary of State Paul Kelly told the Democrats about the invitation to OSCE, without mentioning the U.N. issue.

    "I am pleased that Secretary Powell is as committed as I am to a fair and democratic process," said Democratic Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas, who spearheaded the effort to get U.N. observers.

    "The presence of monitors will assure Americans that America cares about their votes and it cares about its standing in the world," she said in a news release.

    Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee of California agreed.

    "This represents a step in the right direction toward ensuring that this year's elections are fair and transparent," she said.

    "I am pleased that the State Department responded by acting on this need for international monitors. We sincerely hope that the presence of the monitors will make certain that every person's voice is heard, every person's vote is counted."

    OSCE, the world's largest regional security organization, will send a preliminary mission to Washington in September to assess the size, scope, logistics and cost of the mission, Gunnarsdottir said.

    The organization, which counts among its missions conflict prevention and postconflict rehabilitation, will then determine how many observers are required and where in the United States they will be sent.

    "OSCE-participating [nations] agreed in 1990 to observe elections in one another's countries. The OSCE routinely monitors elections within its 55-state membership, including Europe, Eurasia, Canada and the United States," a State Department spokesman said.

    The spokesman said the United States does not have any details on the size and composition of the observers or what countries will provide them.

    OSCE, based in Vienna, Austria, has sent more than 10,000 personnel to monitor more than 150 elections and referenda in more than 30 countries during the past decade, Gunnarsdottir said.

    In November 2002, OSCE sent 10 observers on a weeklong mission to monitor the U.S. midterm elections. OSCE also sent observers to monitor the California gubernatorial recall election last year.

    More recently, OSCE monitored the elections in Northern Ireland in November and in Spain in March.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/08/international.observers/index.html
     
  2. glynch

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    Hopefully these observers can help us avoid the scandal we had in Florida in 2000.
     
  3. Texas Stoke

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    Writing a letter to the UN to send observers to our elections?

    How weak is that.

    Might as well write the devil himself and invite him over to watch over our elections.

    The U.N is a joke.

    its seems these democratic representatives who wrote to the UN for assistance would sell their soul to the devil to insure that they have a fair chance for personal gain in the future.

    I don't care what the circumstances are. This is an independent country, we don't depend on another governing body to make sure we are fair and just. If these representatives can one day write to the U.N for this than there is a chance they are the type of people who on another day would be willing to write the UN to send a police force or troops to come over to America. These representatives just sold out on America. Heads should roll.
     
  4. mc mark

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  5. MadMax

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    Well...since we had Libya on the Human Rights Commission of the UN...maybe we should reinstall Saddam and put Iraq on the Fair Election Commission.

    I just have no faith in these people. I trust our courts and our government more than I trust those of foreign countries. Maybe I'm stupid.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    OSCE is a separate organization from the UN.
     
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  7. MadMax

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    ok...so i AM stupid. :D my suspicions have been confirmed.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    No, you're not stupid, you just have a tendency to misoverestimate yourself.

    Anyway the larger issue is that the richest country in the world and the self styled leader of the free world is so inept at conducting elections. It's an absolute disgrace, with all the money, time and effort we spend on less important matters, that we still haven't figured things out.
     
  9. MadMax

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    Ty Webb: "oh, don't underestimate yourself, judge. you're a tremendous slouch!"
     
  10. Texas Stoke

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    McMark, I would rather you be a man and call me stupid from your heart than borrow another mans mind and art to call me stupid. That makes me think your stupid and a purchaser and trader of wisdom that is acquired from others.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Keep up the good fight Tex.

    Notice the State Department and Sec of State Powell agree that these people should be here.

    Oh I fully admit that there are people more wise than I.
     
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    BTW Happy Birthday!
     
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    they're not asking these guys to conduct the election.

    just allowing them to observe -- as they did in Spain and Northern Ireland (and California's recall).

    Can't see why anyone would object.
     
  14. Texas Stoke

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    Yeah. And I feel the exact same way about Powell and the State Department.

    this isnt about supporting a political party. This current administration is corrupt. No doubt about it. But we are capable of handling this ourselves. We don't need the U.N or any extension of the U.N to come watch over our elections. I don't understand how senators could, without a feeling of shame and sadness, sit down and write a letter to the U.N asking them to come over and observe our elections. Its saying we are becoming weak and incapable of solving our own challenges. That our goverment is slowly losing its self-preservation. This is a historical occasion. Some of our represantives have just asked a foreign governing body to come over and babysit us. I think their paranoia and desperation has led them to ask the devil for assistance. This could be the beginning of a mindset in ourselves and our representatives, one of dependency and weakness and relying on answers and solutions to our problems from the outside. It may seem sweet and good for a quick fix, but I don't think it will bode well for our children. In the future, will this type of mindset grow to the point where our representatives ask Nato and the U.N. to come police the population when theres another terroist attack? will they ask the U.N to educate your kids? Will they ask the U.N to make your grandkids laws? I don't like it.

    thanks for the happy birthday. :cool:
     
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    Total PR. It's fine but wholly symbolic. Didn't Jimmy Carter supervise someone's elections a few years ago?
     
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    good call. :)
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    Carter has supervised several elections across the globe IIRC.
     
  18. mc mark

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    You don't like Powell?

    I agree with a few of your points. It is a shame that we as Americans would consider outside monitors for our elections. It's sad that it would come to that. We are America! That should never happen.

    But

    After the debacle of the last election and the new technology of touch screen voting (which have been shown to be unreliable) I think it's very reasonable to have an outside eye.

    It would alleviate a lot of people's concerns and cynicism about the election. Don't you think?
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    I don't what the problem is. Except maybe being a few years too late. But they can't DO anything one way or the other, so there's not anything to be afraid of.
     
  20. mc mark

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    Have another drink Hayes! ;)

    Actually I agree, they are only there to witness and report. They will have no power what-so-ever!
     

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