I do not like giving up the Cat however I'm hoping the JJ & Pike can pull up the slack . Houston trades: SG Cuttino Mobley (16.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.1 apg in 40.8 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (2.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 15.0 minutes) Houston receives: PG Charlie Ward (9.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 27.1 minutes) C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.3 apg in 35.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: +1.6 ppg, +8.6 rpg, and +2.7 apg. New York trades: PG Charlie Ward (9.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 27.1 minutes) C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.3 apg in 35.5 minutes) New York receives: SG Cuttino Mobley (16.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.1 apg in 17 games) PG Moochie Norris (2.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 17 games) Change in team outlook: -1.6 ppg, -8.6 rpg, and -2.7 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED This lineup is playoff ready! Yao Kurt Thomas Jackson Steve Ward
Okay, Cato isn't all that much worse than Kurt Thomas...in fact, they're pretty similar. Steve isn't head and shoulders above Cat as a 2 guard...I personally think that Cat is outplaying Steve this year anyhow... And Ward as a upgrade over Steve at the 1? Please. Overall, horrible, horrible trade. We're playoff bound anyway. This trade would just take us from a 6th seed to an 8th.
Cato + Mobley for Tinsley + Harrington + Scot Pollard For Indiana, they don't give up any starters. Harrington and Pollard's minutes are dropping drastically - Indiana would really like to play Croshere more. Cato is definitely a betetr C than Pollard or Foster. Adding Mobley gives Reggie a better backup, and allows Artest to stay at the 3. It also keeps their bench potent. Overall, I sincerely believe that both teams improve after this trade, and I do believe that Indiana improve their chances at beating a Western team in the Finals. Yao/Pollard/Meech MoT/Harrington/Pollard (Eventually Griffin will come back too) Harrington/Boki/JJ JJ/Pike/Francis Francis/Tinsley Tinsley is a wonderful option off the bench, and in certain matchups, we can play him major minutes with Steve at the 2. We get quicker,and more athletic up front without losing much size. Cato/Foster J O'Neal/Cato/Croshere Artest/Bender/Croshere Miller/Mobley Kenny Anderson/Anthony Johnson/Fred Jones
Are people forgetting that we are currently on pace for a playoff berth? Trades to put us in the playoffs, just a silly trade idea too as it doesn't really help the Knicks either. Well, what I really wanted to say sorta rhymes with silly, but would be blocked out.
dude, when did you become the Trade God? every thread of yours is some trade, via Real GM, that is almost never well received. i swear, though, i don't remember you always being this way. what the hell happened? and can we reverse the effects?
Why would they want Mobley, a SG, when they already have a shooting guard in Allan Houston? I think a deal involving Cato for Thomas makes more sense. Cato gives them depth and an overall strenghening of the front line; solid enough to be a force in the east. Cato will be able to share minutes with the aging Mutombo. Thomas is now expendable with the return of McDyess. Projected NY line-up: Mutombo/Cato McDyess/Harrington Van Horn/Anderson Houston/Anderson Eisley/Ward Thomas gives the Rockets a needed bruiser at PF plus he has the ability to shoot with some range Projected Hou line-up: Yao/Meech Thomas/MoT Jackson/Pike/Boki Mobley/Jackson Francis/Moochie ....but I wouldn't stop there! I would also try to move Francis plus a future 1st to Indiana for Artest plus Tinsley. The Pacers need a two, and Francis would give them the firepower at that position to be a strong enough force to be tops in the east. They also have room to move Artest because they have Harrington waiting the wings. Tinsley would be a throw-in in the deal. Artest and Tinsley give the Rockets a needed young, athletic, defensive stopper at small forward and a good back-up pg. Projected Indy line-up: Foster/Pollard O'Neal/Pollard Harrington/Croshere Francis/Miller AJ/Anderson Projected Hou line-up: Yao/Meech/Badiane Thomas/MoT/Badiane Artest/Jackson/Pike Mobley/Jackson/Pike ????/Tinsley For this trade to go down it would require several things to happen. First, Houston would have to miss the playoffs again. At that point, management should look to go a different way (in terms of Francis) and build this team around Yao. Secondly, Indy would have to fall short of the ECF or the NBA Finals. At that point they may want to add more power to surround O'Neal with. For the starting PG, I know here in Dallas, Nash is not happy with his contract and may opt out at seasons end. If Nash is resigned, I believe Brent Barry will be avaliable at seasons end. A decent back-up center may also be aquired through minor trades or incentive packages in other deals or through the MLE. Final 04-05 Houston Rockets projected line-up: Yao/???/Meech Thomas/MoT Artest/Jackson/AG Mobley/Pike/Jackson Nash (or Barry)/Tinsley This is a starting group that I believe would be able to contend for tops in the west. I have not run the numbers but all of the trades I have mentioned seem to make everyone stronger while not giving up too much in return.
We don't need no stinkin' bench! Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (10.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (5.9 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 29.0 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (2.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 15.0 minutes) PG John Amaechi (2.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 15.0 minutes) SF Eric Piatkowski (5.8 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.8 minutes) SF Eddie Griffin (5.8 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.8 minutes) SF Bostjan Nachbar (4.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.3 minutes) SF Adrian Griffin (4.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.3 minutes) SF Ben Davis (4.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.3 minutes) SF Scott Padgett (4.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.1 minutes) PG Mike Wilks (1.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 4.0 minutes) PF Alton Ford (1.8 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.6 minutes) Houston receives: SF Kevin Garnett (22.8 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 4.6 apg in 39.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: -13.5 ppg, -6.4 rpg, and -2.4 apg. Minnesota trades: SF Kevin Garnett (22.8 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 4.6 apg in 39.2 minutes) Minnesota receives: PF Maurice Taylor (10.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 11 games) C Kelvin Cato (5.9 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17 games) PG Moochie Norris (2.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 17 games) PG John Amaechi (2.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 17 games) SF Eric Piatkowski (5.8 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 5 games) SF Eddie Griffin (5.8 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 5 games) SF Bostjan Nachbar (4.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15 games) SF Adrian Griffin (4.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15 games) SF Ben Davis (4.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15 games) SF Scott Padgett (4.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13 games) PG Mike Wilks (1.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 4 games) PF Alton Ford (1.8 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5 games) Change in team outlook: +13.5 ppg, +6.4 rpg, and +2.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED
Why all the RealGM bashing? All it is is a tool to tell us whether or not the trade will work dollarwise. That is (more than) half of the quotient for trade-making these days. It's like a hurdle but good deal-making still requires brains and saavy. Why are people so threatened by bad trade proposals? Just shoot it down and tell us why....
I have to say, I like Sane's idea. I think we would have to throw in our Chicago/Bryce Drew draft pick just as a sweetener, maybe. Thing is, Mo's coming around. I like Cato but there are a lot of Eastern COnference teams that would give up their proverbial left nut to get him. Cat is a cheap and effective scorer whose defense has also improved. JVG keeps mentioning that the team is "kinda small" and I would see Jim Jackson, Eric Piatkowski and Adrian Griffin as capable of holding down the 2. I know a taller small forward has not been JVG's M.O., but maybe in the Western Conference he sees that he can't rely on the small 3.
Houston trades: PG Steve Francis Golden State trades: PG Avery Johnson SF Mike Dunleavy PF Troy Murphy
Houston trades Steve+Cat for Kobe+Payton in LAL. Trade accepted from both sides. Houston trades JJ+Boki+Pike for KG in Minn. Trade accepted from both sides. Houston trades Mo+Cato for Duncan at San. Trade accepted from both sides. Houston are announced championships for the next 8 years since the rest of the league quits playing because they believe that they are not able to compete with the Rockets. Does that make everyone on the board happy?
Trade to gurantee the Rox to make the playoffs. Lakers Send Kobe Bryant Derek Fisher Devean George Horace Grant Karl Malone Stanislav Medvedenko Shaquille O'Neal Jannero Pargo Gary Payton Kareem Rush Bryon Russell Luke Walton Rockets Send John Amaechi Kelvin Cato Alton Ford Steve Francis Jim Jackson Yao Ming Cuttino Mobley Bostjan Nachbar Moochie Norris Scott Padgett Eric Piatkowski Maurice Taylor
