Another poster appearently posted something stating if Ford was there at 5 there could be a potential 3-way trade with EG and #6 to Miami, Cat and #5 to LAC, and Brand and Piakowski to us. I personally like that ALOT. I am sure that there will be some who hate it, but it solves our 2 most glaring weaknesses- interior toughness and outside shooting. Now I would take this one step futher. If the Knicks want to trade Sprewell, what about GR & Mooch for Spree and the number 7? I was thinking with the 7 we could take Reese Gaines the big PG from Lousiville. Now alot of you are going to say why would NYK do this - Cap room + ridding themselves of Spree which they clearly want to do. Because of his age Spree isn't going to draw much interest. We could even throw in a future first rounder, or the Bryce Drew obligation. Our team would be impressive Yao, Cato Brand, MoT,Tmo Posey, Piakowski, Nachbar, Tmo Spree, SF, Gaines, Piakowski SF, Gaines This would be a tough lineup for people to match up with. Toughness inside, terrific athleticism and defense, and should be much improved offensively. Any thoughts???
You seriously just suggested trading Glen Rice & Moochie for Spree and teh number 7 pick. Dude, you're crazy...no way the Rockets would do that
Why do you think we would be crazy to do that? Keep in mind I would only pull this trade if the first situation actually happened.
I think what he meant there is no way in hell that NY would do that. Moochie and GR for Spree wouldn't even cut it. Does NY even need a PG? They have ward and eisley, enough scrubs as it is.
first deal - I like second deal - when pigs fly...which will likely be the concensus among this board. I should know, I have my finger on the pulse of the BBS.
I would do this trade for sure. As for Rice and Moochie for Sprewell and 7, that is pure dreamcasting. First of all, the Knicks has the 9th pick and not 7. The main reason why the Knicks wants to deal away Sprewell is so that they can move up their picking order. Sprewell's contract also comes off the book in a year too, so why would they want an aging Rice and a useless Moochie who has another 4 years on his contract instead? -G'day-
This was the trade that somebody started in a thread that he later wanted locked because the source said he didn't want it posted on clutchcity, lest it ruin the trade. If the trade went down, it would have to wait, of course, until the free agent signing period; Miami would have to renounce Zo to free up cap space (no big deal there). And we would have to give up more than $7.5 million worth of salary for Brand and Piatkowski. LAC can sign and trade Brand and not worry about taking back BYC salary, being under the cap; but Brand will get max or near-max (his agent is David Beezelbub Falk) and Paitkowski makes, what, 3 or 4 mil? Toss a log on that fire (Kelvin Cato also to Miami, Vladmir Stepania to us) and it might burn.
Sounds nice. Miami definitely benefits from this trade! They get Eddie and the #6 for just the #5.......and STEPANIA!! hahahaha. Well actually, Stepania was one of the most efficient rebounders this year...Cato was too...except Cato makes 5 times more than him. Mobley and the #5 pick - Chris Bosh or Chris Kaman or TJ Ford to the Clippers. This is good for them...because they can replace Andre Miller or Michael Olowkandi or Eric Piatkowski or Elton Brand. And they still have a lot of young players who can play. And they can still have Lamar odom. Eddie Griffin and the #6 to the Heat. That's great...I don't know if they want Eddie though. And they would still have Brian Grant. But they don't really need the #5 pick...and they can have the #6 and get Eddie. Brand, Piatkowski, and Stepania to us. Francis/Moochie Piatkowski/Posey Posey/Nachbar/Morris/Rice Brand/Taylor/Morris Yao/Stepania BEAUTIFUL!! If this happened..good dream
So according to the deleted report (who knows if there is validity to it) Miami would move the #5 for Eddie, but the poster suggested that it is only if TJ is there at 5, meaning in my mind, that Bosh is gone at 4. Obviously Miami wants some length. Ford doesn't fit that bill, so I guess I could see it happening... We all need to hope that NYK doesn't move up to #4 to take Ford. It seems that if Bosh is there, Miami takes him for themselves, thus no interest to deal with the Rockets. #5 and Cat should be enough to land Brand given how much the Clippers love Draft picks. does this work, capologists? HOU trades: Cat, Griffin, future pick (my hunch) HOU receives: Brand and Pike MIA trades: #5 MIA receives: Griffin and future pick LAC trades: Brand and Pike LAC receives: Cat and the #5 only cap fodder ("little rocks") to fill the gaps, right? Seems like all the "big rocks" suggested movement work to each team's advantage. wrinkle is if MIA insists that a bloated contract (JONES or GRANT) be absorbed by the team taking the #5, but that throws everything off...Rice's expiring contract could offset (end of '04) the larger contract.
I posted this earlier, I really should not have done it, but I got excited I guess. Anyway I don't know the whole stituation, but there could be other teams in the trade too. Plus there is most likly more players going to be traded to the salary works.
And now, prepare as I kill this "rumor"... First of all, RF85, I'm curious where you got this. Perchance, was it a Miami board somewhere? Look at that deal- They trade #5, move down just one slot to #6, and pick up Eddie Griffin. If they don't want Ford, the Clippers would be better off calling their bluff on it, and either getting Ford at #6 or going another route. Marko Jaric can play PG most of the time. They'd be just as well drafting Dwayne Wade, or if they really want a PG, Kirk Hinrich. Secondly, the free agent period hasn't started. We can't negotiate with other teams' free agents till July 1. Brand and Piatkowski are both free agents. Third, Brand is going to be a max-type player. Who knows what a guy like Pike would want. There's a huge salary gap from Brand/Pike to Mobley/Griffin that would require at least Rice somewhere in the mix. Fourth, since it'd be a sign and trade, it'd require the teams draft the certain players and hold them until at least July 15 (earliest day for free agent signins). Since the draft is tomorrow, thtt alone would create HUGE suspicion of illegal negotiations (ie, before July 1). Can anyone find a sign and trade that included the rights of a drafted player? To my knowledge, it hasn't happened; certainly not in such large proportions as a #5 and a #6 pick.
Furthermore, isn't a S&T transaction limited to ONE free agent per transaction. Meaning that PIKE and Brand couldn't be included in the deal as that would be TWO (hey I can count to two) free agents in the deal? Thanks for clarification, NIKEstrad. I won't tell anyone of this rumor, to avoid any of my contacts floating it as new news on the BBS tomorrow...
No, that has nothing to do with it. Nothing prohibits 2 players going in a sign and trade to the same team, it's just unusual- especially since the contracts must be 3+ years. The easiest example of this was the Grant Hill deal- Hill was signed and traded from Detroit to Orlando for Chucky Atkins ad Ben Wallace, who were both signed and traded by Orlando to Detroit.
Did stevel somehow manage to miss the sarcasm in JayZ's post? Wow. Moochie and Rice for Spree and #7. That's one for the ages.
The knicks will not get **** for Spree. NOTHING! They are tired of him. They don't want him, and the league knows it. If they took GR, next season they would have McDyess and GR coming off the books. That is a ton of free cap space! For those who think McD will be back - WRONG. Mooch was included for cap purposes only. Plus, I think Ward is in the last year of his dela aswell. This trade essentially would boil down to GR and his expiring contract for the #9 pick and taking Spree off their hands. Additionally, I did add a future 1st rounder to the deal. As far as this being dreamcasting - perhaps but I wonder how many people in Seattle would have told someone to put the crack pipe down when they heard Anderson was being traded for Baker. As far as the sarcasm of JayZ's post, I thought the dude was serious as I have clearly seen more absurd comments made on this board in the past. Too many people look at trades based solely on the players value, and they disregard the cap ramifications. MANY deals are done with purely the cap in mind. Many deals are also done with FA in mind -ie a guy telling his team he is going somewhere else regardless thereby forcing their hands in a sign and trade. Or, a team just want to dump someone like Spree. Just look at what we got for Pippen - NOTHING! Why? Pippen killed his trade value because everyone knew we had to get rid of him. We got zip. This is a similar situation with Spree. The only team I think could realistically trade for him is Minn, but I know that ain't happening. The only reason I even thought about this deal was because of all the reports of us trading with the Knicks. Nikestrad does make good points regarding the first trade proposal. I am unsure of how it works when trying to trade for rights of a RFA.
