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[Possible Scandal] Kerry's Divorce Papers, Why should we care?

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  1. twhy77

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    Personally, I've reversed my position since I was a teenager with the Clinton fiasco. I don't think this is news and I don't think its something that should be reported, *if* something is found. I only post it here to show my displeasure with the whole reality TV aspect of what could pass as voyeuristic p*rnography. Should we know everything about our candidates? Would you want the world to know all of your evils and past transgressions? Is it because of their prominence in the spotlight that we are *allowed* to do this? Can no one adequetley report on the news anymore? Call me old fashioned or what not. Its like the Scarlet A one must wear and thats not what the country should be about.

    Well, I'll join the conversation later, gotta work away from comp. all day.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryt.htm

    XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN JUNE 27, 2004 20:34:08 ET XXXXX

    CHASE ON FOR SEALED KERRY DIVORCE DOCUMENTS; PAPER FRENZY AFTER ILLINOIS SENATE RACE RELEASE

    After last week's front page headlines over ugly unsealed divorce records in the Republican Illinois senate race, media outlets now face a dilemma: What to do about Democrat presidential hopeful John Kerry's sealed divorce records!

    The race is on in political and media circles to gauge the import of Kerry's sealed July 25, 1988 divorce from his first wife, Julia Stimson Thorne.

    TRIBUNE, which successfully sued a court to gain access to Illinois Republican Jack Ryan's divorce papers and child custody records [over the objection of both Ryan and his former wife], is considering a similar push on Kerry, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

    [TRIBUNE owns WLVI-TV Channel 56 in Boston. It could use its Massachusetts connection as a jumping point to petition the court which granted Kerry a divorce, sources explain.]

    Other news outlets may soon follow.

    CAMPAIGN CALLS DIVORCE DIGGING 'GUTTER BALL'

    The Kerry campaign late Sunday called any old divorce digging a game of political "gutter ball."

    "This is a trash hunt," said a senior Kerry source, who asked not to be named.

    "No, I do not have a clue what is in the papers," explained the source. "But it is none of my business. And its none of your business, or any one's business... You're playing a game of gutter ball, Drudge."

    "I would argue, adamantly, the records should remain sealed. And out of the hands of John's political enemies."

    JUDGE: PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW

    The Los Angeles judge which ordered the release of Ryan's sealed divorce ruled that the public interest in having access to the case records outweighed the Ryans' interest in protecting their child from the publicity that would follow the documents' release.

    Ryan and his former wife released a statement saying they were "disturbed and angered" by last week's ruling by Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider, who was named a full judge by California Democrat Gov. Gray Davis.

    "They were aware they were in a public court system and protection from embarrassment cannot be a basis for keeping from the public what's put in public courts," said Schnider, referring to Ryan and his ex-wife, actress Jeri Ryan. "The openness of court files must be maintained, so that the public ... can be assured that there is no favoritism shown to the rich and powerful."

    MORE

    In 1991, a court also sealed a complaint amending the Kerry-Thorne divorce, concerning economic and child visitation issues, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

    In her 1996 book, "Change of Heart," Thorne said that playing the role of wife to the rising political star had made her so depressed she wanted to kill herself.

    Thorne said she still associates politics "only with anger, fear, and loneliness."

    She wrote "A Change Of Heart" to help other unhappily married couples; in the book, she called her relationship with Kerry a "suffocating marriage."

    Developing...
     
    #1 twhy77, Jun 28, 2004
  2. DCkid

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    It's politics and it concerns the presidential election. Definitely newsworthy.
     
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  3. mc mark

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    Hey Drudge! Tell you what!

    Kerry will release his divorce papers when Jr comes clean about the quickie abortion he had his girlfriend have in the 70s (when it was illegal).

    Oh and his DWI records!

    Oh and why he never had the physical that got him grounded from flying.
     
    #3 mc mark, Jun 28, 2004
  4. DCkid

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    The thing is, noone may even have to ask Kerry for permission to see his divorce records. A precedent was set in California where the court can force the release of these records. Now, the GOP is trying to take advantage of this like any politician would.

    If the Democrats can some how legally force the release of documents regarding Bush then they should probably go ahead and do it.

    Dirty politics at its finest (or worst, depending on which way you look at it).
     
    #4 DCkid, Jun 28, 2004
  5. mc mark

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    California? I thought that all took place in Illinois?


    agreed

    [edit] Oh I see, the papers were unsealed in the cusody battle in LA. Got it!
     
    #5 mc mark, Jun 28, 2004
  6. dc rock

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    Another "possible scandal" from Matt Drudge ??? Old one hit wonder better come up with something more substantial soon, because he's about to be as irrelevant in journalism as "Weekly World News". He's probably already there though.

    [​IMG]
     
    #6 dc rock, Jun 28, 2004
  7. Oski2005

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    The same newspaper that found all the sex stuff about Ryan is probably hoping to find some interesting dirt on Kerry.
     
    #7 Oski2005, Jun 28, 2004
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    shouldn't have released the ryan papers, and kerry's should remain sealed. however, if ryan is fair game, then you can't really argue kerry shouldn't be.
     
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    Personally, I've reversed my position since I was a teenager with the Clinton fiasco. I don't think this is news and I don't think its something that should be reported, *if* something is found. I only post it here to show my displeasure with the whole reality TV aspect of what could pass as voyeuristic p*rnography.
    ________________________________________________________

    [​IMG]
     
    #9 KingCheetah, Jun 28, 2004
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    It was petty when they did it to Ryan and it would be petty if they did it to Kerry. But I guess that's politics.

    My only problem with this whole thing is that there were no pictures of Jeri Ryan in the sex club. What was she wearing? Did she have sex in the club? What are the details? Are there pictures? I think we have a right to know.
     
    #10 ima_drummer2k, Jun 28, 2004
  11. KingCheetah

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    How is someone taken against their will to a sex club? How exactly did he 'trick' her into going...

    "Honey put on your leather french maid outfit and grab your whips ~ we need to go to the grocery store."

    These things we need to know. :D
     
    #11 KingCheetah, Jun 28, 2004
  12. Faos

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    Is Kerry's ex as hot as Jeri?
     
    #12 Faos, Jun 28, 2004
  13. RocketMan Tex

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    Not by a long shot.
     
    #13 RocketMan Tex, Jun 28, 2004
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    Hey!, if your big boy, Micheal Moore was on the other side of the fence he would be all over this like a free buffet!...and then he would do some editing to string together along with the constant political position switching, and medal tossing of the past...then a 7 minute closeup of him while Kerry eats a hamburger with Heinz ketchup as Moore shrills like a pig with disbelief...

    "Waiting for the Heinz ketchup", opening as a documentary on the utter, and proven incompetencies of this Devil, and how he would kill us all! AAaarrhgg....(opening snippet compliments of Dean) What a movie that would be! Wow!
     
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  15. Rocketman95

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    I'm not up to speed on the Ryan thing, but did Democrats do it or did a newspaper do it? IIRC, Obama has made and kept a pledge to not partake in any negative campaigning.
     
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  16. DCkid

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    A newspaper sued to gain access to the records...a democrat judge found in favor of them.
     
    #16 DCkid, Jun 28, 2004
  17. Rocketman95

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    So, in your expert legal opinion, he did this out of partisanship?
     
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  18. mc mark

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    DC do you have a link to support your assertion that this judge was a democrat?

    I’m not attacking you, just interested. You're probably right. It is California.
     
    #18 mc mark, Jun 28, 2004
  19. DCkid

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    I don't know about that...but I'm fairly certain if the judge was of the same party as the nominee the verdict would have been different.
     
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  20. DCkid

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    You're right...I got ahead of myself. I guess California, being a Gray Davis appointee, and the absurdity of the ruling (the public 'needs to know' about the details of someone's divorce) made me jump to conclusions. Sorry.
     
    #20 DCkid, Jun 28, 2004
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