Portland's problem - an Opportunity for Rockets?

Portland's players are mostly garbage, we need players who can shoot...not Miles or Randolf, bad citizen types.

DD

 

no thanks, i dont want to drop next year's first round pick just to swap our #8 for their #4 ...

 

yes trade next year's pick!

 

I heard that they're looking to trade up, not down. And I don't really understand your logic of why they would want to do this deal. With 12 guaranteed and 3 draft picks, how does trading down without adding or subtracting any draft picks this year change anything for them.

 

fyi, anastasia and logic don't really mix well.

 

I thought you couldn't trade your first rounders in back to back years

 

i personally think we need to move up to snatch either roy or gay, if we cant get either of those players then we shud look to trade down

 

Anybody who gives up their first round pick next year to move up this year is a fool. Next year will be a MUCH better draft. I understand we should improve enough this season that our pick won't be nearly so high, but in a draft as deep as next years draft should be, that pick will still be valuable. Trading two picks for one in such a weak draft is just a bad idea.

Besides, apparently Roy could be taken by Chicago at #2 and Bargnani only wants to play for Toronto.

 

Hey, Clutch

Are things so s-l-o-w you are reduced to citing Sammy Smith? BTW - Vex' column runs tomorrow.

 

I'd do it for Roy. If Portland is wanting to move up to #1, I think they want to get Morrison, not Roy.

Chicago only wants Roy if they can work a deal and send Gordon packing or they are wanting Roy to send to Denver in exchange for Nene and whatever.

Which leads me back to the deal I'd like to see happen. Toronto is sitting at #1 and they are basically wanting and big center and a point guard. They like Marcus Williams. So, the deal that I think would work is Toronto re-signing Mike James and then sending the #1 pick and James to us. We in turn send them our #8 and another pick, whatever it takes to get the deal done. We then send Milwaukee Stro and a future first or second rounder to get them to move Magloire to Toronto. Toronto walks away with Magloire, Marcus Williams, and possibly another pick from us. We walk away with Mike James and the #1 pick. Milwaukee dumps Magloire's expiring contract to Toronto and gets decent value back. You may say Milwaukee could get more than Stro and a pick for Magloire. But I don't think so. Not without Magloire committing to another team and signing an extension with them which I don't think he wants to do. I think the Toronto Magloire match makes sense. He's from there and wants to go home. And they need a big rebounding defending center to work the paint.

With the #1 pick, we can then work a trade with Portland for their #4, plus something else. We are targeting Roy and should be able to land him at #4. Portland would trade to #1 to get Adam Morrison. Portland will have to give us another asset such as one of their points, or lower first round picks, or some combination of the above. We may be able to get them to swap Juwan and Rybo for Miles. (Had to throw that in for all you Miles haters out there.) If Roy is sitting there at #4, we take him and go to the house. If for some reason, Roy isn't there, we work another trade down, possibly for NO's picks at 12 and 15 and one of their SGs for the #4 pick and the lower TE. Then we see if Shelden is still there at 12, take him, and take Brewer, Carney, Ager at 15. Worst case scenario, we turn our pick and Stro and 2 future picks into James, plus one or more of Portland's picks/players + Ager and whatever. Best case scenario, we turn our pick and Stro into Mike James and Brandon Roy. Our perimeter problems would be solved and now we've got the lower picks plus the higher TE plus the MLE plus (-) Howard to figure out how to get a starting PF such as Gooden or possibly TMurphy or anybody like that that would be an upgrade over Juwan.

This may be possible if Toronto had assurances that MW was going to be there at 8 and Atl wasn't going to snatch him up. So, if Atlanta trades down past us, this may be an opportunity for us.

This draft is so unpredictable with so many players on basically the same value level at the top and middle of the draft. There's really 4 guys who are at the top and everybody from 5 down to 16 or so are interchangable depending on teams needs and likes.

 

Is it really worth it to move up 4 spots and give up next years asset. Will the player at 4 be that much better than the player at 8. I personally would like to see what kind of offers are being thrown the rockets way to move down.

 

so if they have 12 players under contract, 3 picks, and 2 FA's wha'ts thier problem?

they can send thier last 2 picks overseas without them taking up a roster spot. that's also assuming that they re-sign both FA's which isn't likely.

also, how does trading the 4th pick for the 8th pick help out thier roster any? i tohught you would propose that we make a 1-for-2 deal or something like that. trading pick for pick equalsa the same amount of players.

 

Would you give up #8 and Stro for Roy?

 

of course! but would portland be interested in adding to thier large roster? I think they would rather just use the pick on the BPA.

now ATL on the other hand... they would love a guy like stro and #8 (marcus williams) for the #5 (Roy). plus because they are under the cap they can absorb stro's contract giving us a TE the exact size of stro's salary.

we would then go into the summer with a $5M TE and a $4M TE plus the MLE.

 

Thanks for the common sense.

 

Jopatmc, I don't think I would pull the trigger on that deal. It would not surprise me in the least that the Bulls are floating the Roy rumor out there just to stir the pot up a bit, so some other team that wants Roy will make them a better offer for the #2 pick.

 

LOL

what are you going to trade next year, a 18 pick or up

#8 and next years pick for bargnani or roy is def a banger!

I wouldn't pass