Although it seems ridiculus to trade all your draft picks to move all the way up and nab someone. It can be smart at times. For example, if the following senerio did happen would you do it? 1. Before the draft, we KNOW Leon will be with us next year. 2. We have the offer of trading our detriot pick, our first rounder, and orlando pick to move up and get Morris, or anyone one else u want. No other deals. 3. Do you do it????
Leon Smith can play the Sf spot. I really think Houston should give this guy a chance. And to answer your question, I dont really know if I would pull a Ditka. Morris will end up getting injured most of the year and we will miss out in the playoffs and then rudy will get fired..
In basketball, I think such deals are usually a good idea because of the degree of talent separation between the first 5 or so picks and the rest of the draft. Besides, a team can really only expect about 1 pick per year to work out. In football, it's much more likely that a low pick will result in a great player, like Terrell Davis. Teams are also MUCH larger, so more picks make the squad. Therefore, losing picks is much more damaging in football than basketball.
Hell yea, you do it. Basketball and football are totally different situations. In football, those 3rd round picks mean alot, and those guys will be making up your roster in a few years. In basketball, most low first rounders don't even pan out and are replaceable. I would trade all my picks for a superstar. Role players are easier to find in other places, because you only need to fill 12 spots.
Golden State's first rounder this summer is going to Orlando to complete the Webber deal from 1993. So Orlando has a chance to get Martin or Morris with the GS pick AND have their own lottery pick to get another player AND have cap room to get Tim Duncan or Grant Hill AND keep Abdul Wahad and Outlaw with their Bird rights. And all GS has to show for it is Donyell Marshall? Remember there's the rule where you can't go two consecutive years without a first round pick (except for that wacky Tim McCormick-Kenny Smith deal). I'd trade multiple picks for an established young player but not for a higher pick. too risky.
Outlaw That's the whole point of question. You can trade all your picks for that one guy, but if the guy gets injured like Ricky did, you're screwed. Plus, remember there are no Tim Duncan's in the draft. So is it worth it?
Here's my question: Why are people so sure that Leon Smith is going to be a Rocket? So he's in Houston and working out with Moses Malone. So is Chris Morris. Are we going to get him for sure, too? There are always a ton of guys in the city working out with various people. Just because they are doing these things does not mean that they will be Rockets anytime in the near future, or ever. My guess is there is really no chance of Leon Smith becoming a Rocket - there are just too many risks involved. ------------------ Jen Next round of Nelson vs. Malone: February 24 @ Reunion Arena [This message has been edited by Jenna (edited January 21, 2000).]
If thats how itd work out for the Rox...Where they get the 10th, 12th and 14th pick, then by all means if it got you a top 3 pick take it. Being a die hard skins fan, I want to say thanks to Ditka, for giving the Skins Champ Bailey (from last year) and all their picks (from last year) and their 1st, 2nd and 3rd? rounder this year. Now the Redskins are set to grab Lavarr Arrington and Cournet Brown. With that being said. The talent drop from top 3 to the 10+ pick is phenominal in the NBA. I really cant think that any gm/coach would make such a deal.
Dream yea but then what happen if all the underclassmen come out. Then the talent from 1-10 wouldn't drop at all. Then is it really worth it? Its basically down to point if you rather want 3 quality role players to compliment Francis and provide great depth, or another star. jenna Well lets see...you tell us why we shouldn't think he's going to be a rocket. 1. We wanted Leon in the draft. 2. We sorely need good forwards with all the injuries we've had. 3. He's going to come cheap. 4. He's working out with ex-Rockets and practicing the the Rockets gym. 5. He's been sitting behind the Rockets bench last few games. Oh my bad, was Chris Morris sitting behind too? 6. He's said he would like to be a Rocket. The question I proposed was a question, not the truth. I only said that cuz then we really only need one more player and this senerio could happen.
"The talent drop from top 3 to the 10+ pick is phenominal in the NBA" not always... Chauncey Billups #3 < Danny Fortson #10 Marcus Camby #2 < Kobe Bryant #13 Raef LaFrentz #3 < Paul Pierce #10 Jerry Stackhouse #3 < Michael Finley #21 Shawn Bradley #2 < Allan Houston #11 Christian Laettner #3 < Latrell Sprewell #24 Billy Owens #3 < Terrell Brandon #11 Chris Jackson #3 < Tyrone Hill #11 Danny Ferry #2 < Shawn Kemp #17 Charles Smith #3 < Rod Strickland #19 David Hopson #3 < Reggie Miller #11 Benoit Benjamin #3 < Karl Malone #13 Sam Bowie #2 < Kevin Willis #11 Rodney McCray #3 < Clyde Drexler #14 [This message has been edited by outlaw (edited January 21, 2000).]
exactly...if a lot underclassmen come out, the talent at 10-15 will still be rich. Notice most of those you mentioned are within top 15. So is it worth it to trade 3 of those picks for a top 3? Chances are those 3 late lottery picks with a little more time could be as good as the top 3 pick. That's the poll question.
rocketsfan34: 1) Because he was discovered wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting Christopher Columbus a few short months ago. 2) Because, after the Columbus incident, went to Chicago and vandalized half the place. 3) Because he was discovered wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting Christopher Columbus a few short months ago. 4) Because he was discovered wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting Christopher Columbus a few short months ago. 5) Because he was discovered wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting Christopher Columbus a few short months ago. Sure, Houston may have wanted Smith in the draft, but that was beforehe was discovered wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting Christopher Columbus a few short months ago!!!!!! The fact that he says he'd like to be a Rocket means as much as me saying that I would like to put on a clown suit, parade through downtown Los Angeles shouting obscenties at people while throwing baseballs at them and then thinking I will be elected President of the United States by a whopping 97%. What Smith says about his desires does not have one tiny bit to do with what the team will do. Case in point: Sam Mack. He said he wanted to be a Rocket. Look at him now - he's a Warrior! Like I said earlier, just because he's in town working out with some ex-Rockets doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. He's working out with Moses Malone and Purvis Short, who happens to be a key member of the Players Association - that's got something to do with it. Also, this report of Smith being behind the bench has yet to be confirmed. I was at both games and didn't see him, but I must admit I wasn't really paying attention to what was going on behind Houston's bench. Denver was in town, so I switch into Nuggets mode and Danny Ainge was in town, so, well, I switch into Danny Ainge mode. If he was there last night, I think I probably would have heard about it, but I didn't. I'll try to see if I can get any info on any of this this weekend, but Miami is in town late tonight, so that's probably shot. I have a very good friend with the Rockets, and he hasn't said anything to me on the subject, so that's not a good sign either. Why wouldn't the Rockets sign Leon Smith? Because he was discovered wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting Christopher Columbus a few short months ago. ------------------ Jen Next round of Nelson vs. Malone: February 24 @ Reunion Arena
If the scenario holds where we get the 10th, 12th and 14th pick, I will not trade all 3 picks to move up to the top 3. I would however, trade a couple of those picks to move up a few slot (say #12 & #14 for #6) to nab someone that I like that won't be available at #10. I don't think we need 3 more young/unproven players next year, so 2 picks is more than enough. [This message has been edited by MoonBus (edited January 21, 2000).]
RF34: Is it true he was discoverd wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting christopher columbus a few short months ago? I wonder what the red moon did to him last night?
jenna For all I care, he can dress up as an Indian and play on the court. He's still one hell of a player. Case in point: Sam Mack. He said he wanted to be a Rocket. Look at him now - he's a Warrior! The difference between Sam Mack and Leon Smith is we had Anderson. Can you tell me any other 6'10 athletic guys that are interested in coming to the Rocks, better than Leon and that we can aquire cheaply? Until then, then Leon will not come here. We really need a SF and an inside presence which he provides. Who cares if he's a nutcase. He can dress up as an Indian as a hobby off the court for all i care. As long as he gives 110% on the court like Rodman. [This message has been edited by rocketsfan34 (edited January 21, 2000).]
Outlaw...Firstly I want to thank you for giving me reason to look up the last few Drafts. In retrospect, I did type a little faster than I should have. The Redskins traded the 5th pick, and I meant to really say that the top 5 picks in the NBA are typcially way above anything you could typically garner anywere else. SOOOOO I broke down the last 20 drafts. Compiling a list of players who were the top 3 draft picks even though I meant top 5, and everyone drafted after 5 in the first round, who seriously contributed either to their teams, or was a top notch player (not necessarily an all star) Here's what I came up with 99 Draft: 1. Elton Brand 2. Steve Francis 3. Baron Davis 4. Lamar Odom Other notables Non really at this point is contributing 98 Draft: 1. Kandi man 2. Mike Bibby 3. Raef Lafrenz 4. Antawn Jamison 5. Vince Carter Other notables: 7. Jason Williams 10. Paul Pierce 97 Draft: 1. Tim Duncan 2. Keith VanHorn 3. Chauncey Billups Other Notables: Ron Mercer #6 Maybe Antoine Walker at 5 96 Draft: 1. Allen Iverson 2. Marcus Camby 3. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 4. Marbury Other Notables: 13. Kobe Bryant 95 Draft 1. Joe Smith 2. Antonio McDyess 3. Jerry Stackhouse 5. Kevin Garnett Other Notables: 21. Michael Finley 94 Draft: 1. Glenn Robinson 2. Jason Kidd 3. Grant Hill other Notables: 10. Eddie Jones 93 Draft: 1. Chris Webber 2. Shawn Bradley 3. Penny Hardaway Other Notables: 11. Allan Houston 92 Draft: 1. Shaq 2. Zo 3. Christian Laettner Other Notables: 6. Googs 24. Latrell Spreewell 91 Draft: 1. Larry Johnson 2. Kenny Anderson 3. Billy Owens 4. Dikembe Mutombo 5. Steve SMith Other Notables: 11. Terrell Brandon 90 Draft: 1. Derrick Coleman 2. Gary Payton 3. Chris Jackson (forget his new name) Other Notables: Non worth mentioning 89 Draft: 1. Never Nervous Pervis 2. Danny Ferry 3. Sean Elliott 4. Glenn Rice Other Notables: 14. Tim Hardaway 17. Shawn Kemp 88 Draft: 1. Danny Mannning 2. Rick Smits 3. Charles Smith 5. Mitch Ritchmond Other Notables: Maybe Rod Strickland at 19 87 Draft: 1. David Robinson 2. Aromon Gilliam 3. Dennis Hopson 5. Scottie Pippen Other Notables: 7. Kevin Johnson 11. Reggie Miller 86 Draft: 1. Brad Daugherty 2. Len Bias (died before he could play) 3. Chris Washburn Other Notables: 8. Ron Harper 85 Draft: 1. Patrick Ewing 2. Waymon Tisdale 3. Benoit Benjamin Other notables: 7. Chris Mullin 8. Detlef Shrempf 13. Karl Somebody 84 Draft: 1. The Dream 2. Sam Bowie 3. Jordan 5. Barkley Other Notables: 16. John Stockton 83 Draft: 1. Ralph Sampson 2. Steve Stepanovich 3. Rodney McCray Other Notables: 10. Jeff Malone 14. Clyde Drexler 82 Draft: 1. James Worthy 2. Terry Cummings 3. Dominique Wilkins Other Notables: 18. Ricky Pierce 81 Draft: 1. Mark Aguirre 2. Isiah Thomas 3. Buck Williams Other Notables: 8. Tom Chambers 9. Rolondo Blackman 12. Kelly Tripuka 80 Draft: 1. Joe Barry Carroll 2. Darrell Griffith 3. Kevin McHale Other Notables: 8. Andrew Toney 79 Draft: 1. Magic Johnson 2. David Greenwood 3. Bill Cartwright 5. Sidney Moncrief Other Notables: 7. Vinny "the Microwave" Jonson Overall there were few players who excelled being picked in double digits. While a top 3 pick, wasn't assured of nabbing a super star (Id say a few of them was just bad judgements on talent-Shawn Bradley), but typically you are going to get a great player. If I was a GM, I would never trade a top 3 pick for 3 double digit picks. The history is on a high picks side. Plus, this is considered to be a very weak overall draft. Which I woud concur on. Few players look to be either dominating type guys, or lifelong contributors. But thanks for the research project...Id thought Id never say the name Sidney Moncrief, Kelly Tripuka, Rolondo Blackman, or Jeff Malone ever in my life again.
That's the whole debate. Some think one top 3 is more than 3 low lottery picks. Others disagree. Saying depth is better. That's the reason for the poll.
one thing not mentioned here is that this in NOT football (albeit RF34 alludes to a football comparison in the title). My point is football has much more roster spots to absorb massive amounts of rookies. Basketball teams rarely absorb more than two. In capology, if you sign 3 1st rounders, you must sign them for 3 years, at least, or renounce them, like Chi did with Travis Knight, or release them in camp and still owe them the rest of their salary (Maloney, MacLean). It is really hard to justify signing 3 1st rounders if you don't honestly believe they will make your roster. 3 1st rounders will take up probably $6million in salary for 3 years once you sign them (depends on their draft spots). That's a lot of money to lock up for 3 years. Some ways around this is to draft them and not sign them with an agreement that they go play minor league CBA or Europe (you retain draft rights). This is what we did with Turksan (then traded his rights to 76ers). This is the main reason I feel we did not draft either Al Harrington or Rashard Lewis when we had 3 first-rounders. Because the scouts thought they couldn't contribute awhile and 3 1st-rounders really straps you in cap terms. Drafting Turksan was much simpler because he had no problem not signing a contract and playing minor league ball. NOTE: the cap rule is that if a draft pick is not signed, they can re-enter college if they have remaining eligibility and haven't retained an agent. They can re-enter the draft if they go one year without playing pro-ball. They become a free-agent if they go 2 years w/o playing pro ball. The 3 scenarios mentioned where you lose draft rights have never happened to my recollection.
