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Poll: Mo Pete, DerMarr, or Darius? Which one would you choose?

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  1. rocketsfan34

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    Which of the three would you go with if you had to choose one? The experienced clutch player(Mo Pete), the big shooting guard(DerMarr), or young do it all high schooler(Darius). Each has his strengths and weakness.

    Morris Peterson may not be as talented as the other two but is the senior and has the experience and is clutch.

    DerMarr is one of the few 6'9" guards. Not to mention a good shooter. Would create massive matchup problems with height not to mention keep defense honest by stretching defense with him standing at three point line. However isn't as much of flyer as the other two.

    Darius the high school do it all. May not be as good of a 3 point shooter as other two. However, he is young and it does have its drawback as he lacks the experience Peterson has. But still very complete in other parts of his game as shown in McDonald's game.

    So, on draft day, cuz of lack of big men(martin and mihm will be gone by time we pick) which SF would you go with?

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  2. UT Baller

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    I would have to say go for Johnson. Mo Peterson is a good player, and I wouldn't argue with the pick, but I think that Johnson has a higher ceiling. Miles needs to develop an outside game for me to even consider him, but if Gerald Wallace was on the board for our pick I would choose him over all three.

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    Mo Pete- you know what you're getting. DeMarr proved nothing at Cincy, he had his chance to step up in the Dance w/ no Kenyon and he wasn't able to step up his game. He may have a higher ceiling, but ceilings are potential and potentials are very rarely reached.
    Honestly I don't know the HSer (Darius). Some of them have worked out (Kobe & Garnett) but others never make it off the pine in the NBA.

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  4. DrNuegebauer

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    You gotta go for Peterson ! He's improved every year he's played and shows a desire to work hard on and off the court to improve his game - we NEED someone with that work ethic !
    Don't forget we might get Phillies/ Detroits or Orlando's(?) first round pick, so we could still land the high schooler !
    But we really need big man help, so maybe with a late first rounder we could get Etan Thomas ?

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  5. Da Man

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    Hey if you want Francis to drive and kick it out to Dermarr for the 3, wouldn't you rather have Francis kick it out to Mo Pete instead. He is the much better shooter.

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  6. rocketsfan34

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    Ya...both are good shooters, however I feel DerMarr can do more if the shot ain't there if help rotates than Peterson. If Miles was there, don't think that penetrate-kickout concept would work as he needs to be more consistent in outside shot.

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  7. sir scarvajal

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    Maybe we will get lucky in the lottery and be in position to get KMart, Fizer or Mihm with a top 3 pick. Maybe Haywood, Battier and Swift will change their minds too so we wouldn't need to get lucky for one of these six guys because we would have earned one of them outright.

    Mo Pete is a safe pick, and not a bad pick. But the last thing we need is another swing player (I'll bet Mo is really 6' 6"). I want a guy preferably 6' 8" or taller who can play a regular 3, 4 or 5. Demarr would be a project, but he has great talent and maybe he could become a true 3 so I would be OK with it. I would go with talent (e.g., HSchlr, Johnson) over refinement (Mo) if our pick is a 5 or 6.



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    utballer, what do u like so much about wallace ? nothing seemed to stand out about him, but it was only one game.

    rf34, i say roll the dice. i would go with miles, he reminds me too much of KG to not give him a chance. He really is very athletic, and seemed to defend rice well when he wanted to.

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  9. DrNuegebauer

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    Don't be deceived into thinking that Peterson's not a talented player. He certainly is and he certainly can shoot from the outside - and even better, he knows how to adapt his game to circumstances. Look at the beginning of the season while Cleaves was out, Peterson took over as the man and controlled the game. When Cleaves came back he let Cleaves take control and just made himself available. He works hard off the ball to get open and can drive and create. Plus he finishes well on the break and importantly has game smarts. He won't try and force things. Sure he's only 6'7", but So is Bryon Russell.. and he's a true SF. In fact most SF's are about 6'7". Luckily Peterson has good hops so he can play above his height... it's not SF where the rockets struggle for height anyway, it's at the PF position, we NEED a defensive stopper in there, someone who can send shots back - I'm a big fan of Kenny Thomas, but he's no shotblocker, and he's too small. Maybe he can be adapted to play some SF minutes when we want a big lineup on the floor ?

    Anyway, DeMarr Johnson has looked good and drafting him would be nice, I don't think it's safer to draft Peterson, it's just BETTER because Peterson is a BETTER player.
    And on Darius Miles, I'm pretty sure he will be around mid to late first round of the draft. Sure Kobe and KG and Bender went early, but they all had jumpshots - Miles doesn't and he'll slide a little.

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    If Mo Pete is really 6' 7" and 220, then yes maybe he can be a true 3. If he looks like he is really better suited for the three than SA--who is undersized for this position at a pretty solidly built 6' 6", then I become more interested in Mo for Rockets. I'll wait for the unbiased tape measure and an eval by Rudy/Carrol and the gang to get a sense if Mo is trully better suited for the 3 than SA.

    But the most important thing is not for us to draft the best player right now (after all then the 6' 8"--we will see about this # too--Fizer is by far the best after Martin), but rather we should draft who will be the best player for the Rockets. I havn't seen enough of Demarr to know, but I am just saying I would go with talent over polish--especially if we draft on a position we are already loaded--i.e., another primarily shooting guard. In my personal opinion, I don't see much room for Mo Pete to get that much better than he already is. I don't think we are talking about MJ, Carter, or Kobe-level talent in a swing players body. If he measures out a long 6' 7" (possible but doubtfull) and looks like the next Micheal Finley, then I will say lets go for it however.


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    Exactly, Peterson is the senior and is more experienced. He is obviously better NOW. What happens 3 or 4 years later when DerMarr and Miles get NBA experience also? Then Peterson may not be the better player then.

    Miles might slide, but not more than a few spots, still late lotto at worst. No way he falls all the way to late first. He may not have the best outside game, but everything else is up to par, and his potential alone merits a top 10 pick.

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    well, never say never on high schoolers. Need we be reminded of a certain high schooler from the Houston area, that was a "sure" first rounder, who suddenly became a second rounder, all alone in the draft room?

    We could perhaps get Miles at the Detroit/Orlando pick (both just after lottery, I think right now 14 and 15) if he doesn't have a tremendous workout for other teams/camps. He isn't even a sure bet to come out yet.

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    Well so far he hasn't passed his college entrance test...

    What makes you think Orlando or Detroit will give us their pick? 14-15?! [​IMG]

    Haven't you heard the rumors they are thinking of trading for a 30th pick to give us? That would mean late first.

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  14. UT Baller

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    great one-
    From what I have heard Wallace is 6'7'' and around 215 which is already big enough physically to play the 3. Add his handles and a decent shot and I think that this would have to be our guy.

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    No, haven't heard that. 30th though, would be 2nd round anyhow.

    Should Detroit make the playoffs, they likely would. I heard the pick has to be this year or next. And they wouldn't take the chance of losing Hill, and then being a lottery team. Orlando might, because don't they already have 3 or 4 1st round picks? Teams don't like going in with too many guaranteed rookie contracts they're stuck with for 3-4 years, so they trade them.

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    Anyways, what my point was Detriot was trying to trade for a very late first rounder so they can screw us over. They can give us any first round pick they have. Why give us their Mid first rounder? Instead, trade for a very low first and then give us that so they can get the better of the deal as we gave them a 18th pick or Turskcan.

    Orlando on the other hand has like a whole bunch of picks. They can pick and choose and give us a very ****ty one. I still can't believe they got the warriors pick.

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    Can't the Warriors trade for a pick down, kind of like your scenario?

    Also, just checked-Orlando's lowest pick is in fact their own, which right now is #14. Their others are the Golden State one, and Denver's.

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  18. rocketsfan34

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    No cuz the stupid Warriors traded a unprotected pick. We traded for a conditional pick meaning any first within 3 years. That's the difference.

    Orlando also has sun's pick I believe, from Penny trade.

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    You guys might remember a few short quotes from Rudy about how this pick will be the highest he's ever had. Also spoke about how the Rockets will be looking for someone who can step in/start after an adjustment period. In other words, someone who can help now.

    I really doubt we will get a high-schooler with our lottery pick. Think of even the best players who have come from high school- Kobe, Garnett, Mcgrady- it took them YEARS before they were playing really well. For both Kobe and Garnett, I would say it wasn't until their third season in the NBA until they were really turning heads. Same for Tracy. It is a long time before they contribute consistently, and that's IF they pan out at all.
    I say get someone who will actually help us next year, or trade the pick. I don't want to be trying to rebuild like the Clippers and other lotto teams do. Always trying to get the best young talent, and wait for that bright future. And wait. And wait. Toronto and Sacramento got the right idea. Put in the right veterans with your badass young guns, and win games.

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    Morris Peterson is the player who can step in and contribute right away. Problem is that he is a 2 and we already have Shandon Anderson and Catino (if he re-signs).

    DerMarr Johnson is not ready for the NBA imo. He would have been better served by staying in college and developing his game. DerMarr did not step up his game at the Big Dance. Next year at Cinci, he would have been more of a go-to guy since KM is gone and we could see if he is ready to carry that load. If the Rocks draft him, they will expect him to play the 3, which may not be his best pro position.

    I would much rather get a 4/5.

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