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[Politico] The left is already looking to 2024. Some want to see a Biden primary challenge.

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    Happy New Year!

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/01/progressives-2024-primary-challenge-526299

    The left is already looking to 2024. Some want to see a Biden primary challenge.
    “Will there be a progressive challenger? Yes,” said one prominent Democrat.
    By HOLLY OTTERBEIN
    01/01/2022 07:00 AM EST

    When Joe Biden first came into office, progressives said he could be the next FDR.

    Now, as Biden’s relationship with the left has come under strain, liberals are talking about treating him like former President Jimmy Carter instead — and mapping out a Democratic primary challenge in 2024.

    “Will there be a progressive challenger? Yes,” said Jeff Weaver, Sen. Bernie Sanders’ former presidential campaign manager.

    Weaver stresses that he is not advocating for such a primary campaign. But the chatter about a left-wing challenge to Biden, which was virtually nonexistent weeks ago, has suddenly burst into public view in the wake of Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) killing the president’s climate and social spending bill.

    “He’s deeply unpopular. He’s old as ****. He’s largely been ineffective, unless we’re counting judges or whatever the hell inside-baseball scorecard we’re using. And I think he’ll probably get demolished in the midterms,” said Corbin Trent, co-founder of the progressive No Excuses PAC and former communications director for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.). “People will smell opportunity, and D.C. is filled with people who want to be president.”

    No one now in office — and none of the top-tier presidential contenders from 2020 — is viewed as a serious prospect to take on Biden. Nor is there any expectation that Sanders or Sen. Elizabeth Warren, both of whom have enjoyed a significant amount of influence in the Biden administration, would primary Biden. Few seriously think Ocasio-Cortez would risk her political capital in a long-shot challenge to the president, either.

    Instead, liberals believe lesser-known candidates are more likely to primary Biden if he seeks a second term, such as former Sanders campaign co-chair Nina Turner, 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson or millionaire and $18-an-hour minimum wage advocate Joe Sanberg.

    “Yes, but someone like Nina Turner or Marianne Williamson. Doubt anyone currently elected," said one prominent progressive when asked if someone from the left would run against Biden.

    The fact that any primary challenge at all is now openly being discussed demonstrates how disappointed some progressives are about Biden’s presidency. It’s also a reflection of Biden’s weakness in the polls and his advanced age — the same factors that are driving more traditional and moderate Democrats to talk privately about scenarios if Biden doesn’t run for reelection as promised.

    “I don’t think the country nor certainly not progressives in the party, who all tend to be younger, are going to sit on the sidelines,” said Mark Longabaugh, a progressive ad-maker who worked as a consultant for Sanders’ presidential campaign.

    Weaver argued that a liberal challenge wouldn’t be a “repudiation” of Biden but rather the result of the Democratic Party moving left: “Progressives are ultimately ascendant. And if nothing else, a progressive running who gets a lot of support will demonstrate that the ideas that the progressive movement embraces are, in fact, popular.”

    Though a progressive challenger would face an almost impossible task — despite his flagging poll numbers overall, Biden is still supported by the vast majority of Democratic voters — even a symbolic candidate could cause political trouble for the president.

    If a left-winger primaries Biden, Trent predicted that “it’ll be a bigger primary than people anticipate — I think it’ll be like a Jimmy Carter primary.” Ted Kennedy, a liberal, won close to a dozen states during his 1980 challenge of Carter, who then went on to lose reelection.

    When Sanders himself reportedly considered running against then-President Barack Obama ahead of his 2012 reelection campaign, the Obama team was alarmed because “every president who has gotten a real primary has lost a general [election].”

    No candidate of Kennedy’s stature has even hinted at mounting a bid. “Progressives in the House, in the Senate, in the Progressive Caucus are not talking about primarying Biden,” said an aide to a senior House progressive.

    If Biden did face a left-wing challenge, even from a lesser-known figure, it would mark a dramatic turnaround in his relationship with progressives. Though Biden was not their candidate — and liberals were deeply disappointed watching Sanders come close to winning the nomination only to falter — they have ended up being among the president’s staunchest allies. Top progressive aides helped elect Biden, and liberal House and Senate members have strongly defended his agenda in Congress.

    “President Biden and his senior team have made a concerted effort to reach out to me since Sen. Sanders’ campaign ended and seek input into legislation and strategy,” said Rep. Ro Khanna, a former Sanders campaign co-chair. “He wants to implement a bold progressive vision, and he will have my enthusiastic support in 2024 so we have eight years to do it.”

    Biden already looks to be trying to make amends with the left. Since Manchin axed Build Back Better, the president has acceded to two major demands from progressive lawmakers and activists: He extended the pandemic-related moratorium on student loan payments and recently offered his clearest and most direct support for doing away with the filibuster to push through voting rights legislation.

    “The president and the full spectrum of the party are working to deliver on Build Back Better, including strong collaboration with progressives and the left,” said a Biden campaign alum.

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  2. CCorn

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    I don’t think Biden runs again. Hopefully Pete gets the nomination.
     
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    is there any appetite at this point for Tulsi Gabbard? otherwise I'd have to go with Pete or Klobuchar
     
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    Tulsi burned her bridges. 0 shot.
     
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    it does seem that way unfortunately
     
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    All I really want to see is Pete, Kamala and their armies of ideologically bankrupt sycophants claw each other's eyes out for months on end.
     
  7. ThatBoyNick

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    AOC time baby

    it’s a weird dynamic, how often does an incumbent lose a primary? Almost never

    but Biden’s approval ratings are through the floor, and his biggest knock in the eyes of the public is his age / mental health, hard to see him getting re-elected, he should endorse a younger candidate
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    more likely:

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand would lose to AOC in primary, ex-staffer says

    https://nypost.com/2022/01/01/sen-kirsten-gillibrand-would-lose-to-aoc-in-primary-ex-staffer/
     
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    Should have kept your word and pushed the student loan forgiveness.

    You’re a Democrat Joe not a Republican people actually expect you to follow though on your campaign promises.
     
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    some? try MOST want to see Biden gone.
     
  12. Haymitch

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    Nina Turner would be interesting. Pete will get the big donor money because he's a mindless drone who will do what he's told, but his issue is he is so unappealing to basically everyone.
     
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    Biden will have to make the call on his re-election sometime in early 2024. Two+ years is an eternity in electoral politics.

    Unless he's still 10 points underwater by then, I imagine he will run again. However, I cannot imagine him finishing his second term.

    What's funny is that pretty much every politician at this point is underwater in favorability. Nobody has any faith in anyone, and with good reason, because the system politicians operate in forces them to be bad actors.

    Somebody just joked about the Rock, but the truth is that's where we're headed, because a career in politics isn't an asset much anymore. You need to be liked before you can get elected, and winning local elections and holding regional office is not a path to that anymore.
     
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    I don't think anyone who buys into "the president isn't saying the word 'Islamic terrorists'" as a talking point that tangibly effects policy and how we operate national defense is either intelligent enough to be POTUS or is into brainwashing too much to be president.
     
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    I can’t imagine him running again, I see him endorsing a younger candidate, maybe Harris, maybe Pete, maybe someone else

    I’m the one who joked about the Rock, but I’ll tell you what, if he comes out with some super far left communist positions like supporting universal healthcare coverage, and making it that the state of Texas can’t permit a 7.25 minimum wage in Austin/Houston/Dallas in 2025 then I’ll support him and get will urge all of the other super far left Bernie bros to support him too.
     
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    I know it won’t happen. But I want to this guy to run.

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    I could support him. But it would be difficult to keep hearing about the picture from the show supporting the troops over and over.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    Grabbem by the...boobies?
     
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    After Trump that picture looks absolutely quaint and I think the media would have an extremely hard time gaining traction with it.
     
  20. Reeko

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    Pete? Lol, dude has charisma of a loaf of broad

    nobody is running to the polls for Pete, I’m sorry

    Dems rolling out high school lunch in the hood options for 2024…Dems rolling out Dwight post ups for presidency…

    smh
     

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