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Political Correctness and its effects on our society.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DrewP, Dec 1, 2002.

  1. DrewP

    DrewP Member

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    I decided to make this thread because I just cant take it anymore.
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    Why do people think the educational process is best served by an intellectually anesthetized environment? Some people need to grow a spine and get some thick skin. If you're offended, take the gloves off and go to it.....

    Quotes from our good friend Barkley:


    Originally, I thought of Charles Barkley as a stubborn ignorant guy that wanted attention. I still believe he wants attention, but now I have true respect for him. He represents every un PC characteristic, and I admire him for that.

    All the quotes I used in this post are from here.
    I used only quotes from Barkley himself because I think the author's point-of-view is flawed. What I am trying to say is, the author of the article has almost complete opposite views of mine but I encourage you to read, and determine your own opinion.

    And here is a funny site that takes my POV to the extreme.

    In conclusion, why cant we all stop being so politically correct and just say what we mean?
     
  2. mrpaige

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    There are a great many people I disagree with who I'd wish would shut up. I think it's natural to want to silence those who make us uncomfortable or who say things that are opposite of what we believe to be true.

    Of course, I've found many times that by debating someone with whom I disagreed, I was either opened up to new lines of thought that I hadn't considered before (that perhaps even changed my opinion) or dug deeper into why I believed a certain way and came to a deeper understanding of myself. At the very least, I gained an understanding of someone who thought differently than I did, and that alone can be beneficial even if no one's mind is changed.

    But it sure is easier, if you have the power, to simply make the people who disagree with you or make you uncomfortable or whatever just shut the heck up. :)
     
  3. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    This thread is very offensive and harmful. I think it should be locked immediately!
     
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    Because that would be uncivilized...and we live in a civlized society.

    When confronted with the issue of "political correctness" (or common courtesy, if you will), Ann Lander's old adage comes to mind: are we, as a society (of supposed human beings) better off with treating one another with common courtesy or not?

    The fact that we have to debate common courtesy says something about the direction of our society.

    University (Uncommon Courtesy) Blue
     
  5. Behad

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    Latest Politically Correct Thinking

    In October, the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child told Great Britain it should repeal its parental-right-to-spank law because spanking violates an international corporal-punishment treaty (which the U.S. has declined to honor, as well). In September, the North Tyneside (England) Council advised a local business group not to hold the annual children's Christmas caroling contest this year because it would be a bad experience for the kids who did not win. In October, Mayor Shelton Richardson of North Randall, Ohio, charging racism, proposed to make it illegal for any gas station to make customers pay before pumping (despite a marked recent increase in customer "drive-offs"). [St. Petersburg Times-AP, 10-6-02] [BBC News, 9-15-02] [Plain Dealer (Cleveland), 10-12-02]
     
  6. Drexlerfan22

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    But there's a difference between common courtesy and calling handicapped people "handicapable" or "differently-abled." Short people are "vertically challenged," stupid people have "learning disorders," and gay people have "an alternative social outlook." We've gone from "shell shock" to "battle fatigue" to "operational exhaustion" to "post-traumatic stress disorder." Some college campuses are considering banning offensive words, like "history" (because it has "his" in it), and banning phrases like "slaving over a hot stove."

    Courtesy is fine, but PC is going too far.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I hate PC, it makes you soft.

    There are such things as manners, but people are speaking like they are walking on egg shells.

    Wimps.

    DaDakota
     
  8. Mrs. JB

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    "Not only is Harvard Law considering a ban on 'offensive speech' but it is offering first-year students a new course: How to be Politically Correct.

    The course purports to help the young people "manage difficult conversations" and learn how to speak with sensitivity on touchy issues such as race and gender."


    The above is from NewsMax, I believe. I found a more fleshed-out version of the story from AP:

    Is Harvard Law getting touchy-feely?
    School mulls ban on offensive language in classroom


    BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- Harvard Law School is considering a ban on offensive speech after a series of racially charged incidents, raising fears that the rules will inhibit the kind of sharp-edged intellectual combat so famously depicted in the movie "The Paper Chase."

    In the meantime, the school is also offering first-year students a new course to help them "manage difficult conversations" and learn how to speak with sensitivity on touchy issues such as race and gender.

    The speech-code proposal has stirred an intense internal debate about the commitment to freedom of expression at a school whose illustrious alumni have helped define the nation's free speech rights. Some are wondering whether a campus renowned for its bare-knuckled, confrontational style of teaching is getting a little touchy-feely.

    "What I do find amazing is that it should be considered at a law school, any law school, because one thing that law schools do is study the constitution and these codes are clearly in violation of the First Amendment," said Harvey Silverglate, a Harvard Law graduate and civil liberties litigator.

    Members of the Black Law Students Association, which called for the policy, say it is possible to curb chronically offensive behavior without infringing on the First Amendment.

    "We've called for a discriminatory harassment policy that would basically punish or at least give the administration some way to review harassing behavior," said Joshua Bloodworth, a third-year student and president of the organization. "We're not trying to stop free speech."

    The Committee on Healthy Diversity -- made up of six faculty, six students and three law school staff members -- will make its recommendations in the spring. Any code would be subject to approval by the full faculty.

    Controversial year

    There are about 1,800 students at Harvard Law, about 28 percent of whom are minorities.

    Law school Dean Robert C. Clark created the committee last spring in the wake of an escalating series of race-related controversies over the past year, triggered by a student's use of the slur "nig" in a course outline posted online.

    During the ensuing uproar, a second student sent an e-mail to one of his protesting peers, saying that "if you, as a race, want to prove that you do not deserve to be called by that word, work hard and you will be recognized."

    That, in turn, led a professor to step down from teaching the class, a first-year course on tort law, and offer to defend the e-mailer in a mock trial. The mock trial was never held.

    The Black Law Students Association also asked for a reprimand of another professor, who was quoted as saying in class that "feminism, Marxism and the blacks have contributed nothing to tort law." (That professor, David Rosenberg, has said he was referring to a body of legal thought known as critical race theory.)

    This past week, several students and professors, including Clark, expressed discomfort with the idea of a speech code.

    "There are many on the faculty, including myself, who have grave reservations about heading in this direction," Clark said in a statement.

    Law school spokesman Mike Armini characterized the speech-code discussions as very preliminary. It is not clear yet whether the speech code would apply just in the classroom, or outside it, too.
    'Re-evaluating and re-examining'

    Harvard Law School alumni have frequently been at the forefront of efforts to expand constitutional protections on speech.

    Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes coined the fundamental definition of free speech in a 1919 dissent when he created the "marketplace of ideas" metaphor. Supreme Court Justice William Brennan broadened free-speech protections in a 1964 decision when he created the "actual malice" standard for cases of libel against public figures.

    Law professor Alan Dershowitz, who is a member of the diversity committee, said the perception that classroom debates have become less spirited at Harvard is on target.

    "I think there are a lot of professors who are afraid to confront students," Dershowitz said. "A lot of professors are afraid to take controversial views on any hot-button issues."

    Lacey Schwartz, a third-year student and member of the diversity committee, acknowledged that the school may no longer resemble its depiction in 1970s pop culture.

    "But the idea that we should do everything like we did back then is a little bit ridiculous," Schwartz said. "We always have to be completely re-evaluating and re-examining ourselves to make sure that we are approaching the study of law in the best, most effective, and most representative manner."

    On Tuesday, Harvard English professors reinvited an Irish poet to speak on campus, one week after his appearance was canceled because of his anti-Israeli comments. Tom Paulin has likened U.S.-born settlers in the West Bank to Nazis and said they "should be shot dead."

    "Free speech was a principle that needed upholding here," professor Peter Sacks said. "This was a clear reaffirmation that the department stood strongly by the First Amendment."


    I'm not sure where I stand on all of this. I do believe Harvard is reaching the point of pushing it too far. But I can also honestly say that I've never met someone who I'd consider truly intelligent that also uses racial, ethnic or gender slurs on a regular basis. As soon as I hear something like that come out of someone's mouth, their IQ automatically drops about 20 points in my eyes. Contrary to DaDakota's beliefs, I consider those who use slurs and demeaning language to be the "wimps." It takes a lot less thought to fall back on tired, offensive stereotypes than to try to understand the broader social forces at work.

    As one of the country's most-respected institutions of higher learning, Harvard does have some responsibility to give their students the tools they need to thrive in an increasingly diverse country. Using slurs and racially/ethnically offensive language isn't going to help them in their future endeavors.
     
  9. Refman

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    Well it seems that Harvard is churning out some pretty thin skinned lawyers. I do NOT condone the use of slurs...but most instances of "offensive" behavior are not so cut and dry as the use of a blatant slur. Perhaps people seeking to get into a profession such as law should grow a thicker skin.
     

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