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Poetic Justice indeed. Posey Justice indeed.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DearRock, Jan 19, 2004.

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  1. DearRock

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    He looked like he was worth every penny tonight. It seems pretty clear who had a full understanding of Posey's worth. As I said then, I prefer to be wrong with West and Brown than to be right with CD.
     
  2. ivanyy2000

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    Yeah , averaging 11.5 pts , 4 rebs , 39.7% 3pts while having nearly 6million salary, I'd rather let him go.

    He also played like sh*t near the end of last season, out of control, flagrant fouls...
     
  3. Man

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    Yes..but I think Padgett and Nachbar and Piatkowski are better than Terence Morris..Padgett

    Yes. I miss Posey..but too much money..he is still out of control..but very athletic...I am satisfied with Jackson. We can't have everybody...Posey woulda been nice!
     
  4. RunninRaven

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    Jackson's level-headedness suits this team better than more athleticism, which is what Posey has. Rockets already have plenty of athleticism in Francis and Mobley. What we need from the 3 spot is a smart player that makes the correct decisions and can shoot. More often than not, Jackson is that guy. I have no confidence that Posey would be were he still here.
     
  5. Sacudido

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    Having a hot streak against a former team does not and should not equal a ~$6 million salary.
     
  6. Black Sheep

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    I'll take JJ over Posey also, only problem is that JJ is playing out of position,
     
  7. Rule0001

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    give me jj over that p.o.s. anyday.
     
  8. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    One problem is that Jackson is about 109 years old. By the time we are contending for a title, Jimmy Jack will be watching games from his rocking chair at the old folks home. Posey is a lot younger, if not quite as good. I wish we had him instead of Piatkowski, who has been mired in mediocrity since his arrival.
     
  9. xiki

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    Why the hate to JPo? he was a good Rocket, and left for twice the $. I would have, too -- if I had the chance.

    I'd take him back, and believe JVG was sorry to see him go.

    The money JPo didn't get got us some other role players. It was not devastating, just too bad.
     
  10. canoner2002

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    CBS ranks JJ 16th among SF, and 66th overall: 11.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.3 blk, 2.7 apg.

    CBS ranks Posey 22th among SF, and 95th overall: 11.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.5 blk, 1.5 apg.

    Posey is more than twice expensive compared to JJ. Who do you think have a better understanding of value?
     
  11. canoner2002

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    don't wish. Reality was if we kept Posey, we would only have a vet minimum left to sign AG. No JJ, no Pike, no Pagette in that case.

    If we are to contend for a title, I hope we get a better SF than Posey, not to mention for 6mil/year. Posey is one of the worst starting SF in the league. Let the stats speak. 22th among SF's.
     
  12. ckfol

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    Pike is very disappointing this year, really JJ shouldn't play 40minutes. 30 max.
     
  13. RHU525

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    I agree... We should have kept POSEY!!! We can't put a price on hustle. He simply outplayed us tonight with the last 3 offensive rebounds. Also can't put a price on Heart. Mo Taylor definately doesn't deserve his contract cuz he doesn't try. But at least if posey's not producing he still puts out the effort. Something the Rockets totally lacked tonight. Can't help but wonder how good we would be with Posey. We could play JJ and SG and place cuttino on the bench.
     
  14. Desert Scar

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    Exactly. Pike and JJ were quick fixes, JP had a chance to be a long term roll player.

    We should have signed both Posey (long term) and JJ (quick fix to provide the vet) and not touched Pike. But Les and Co went for money grubbing over victories, especialy in the later context of the Rice deal they really look like cheap asses.

    Just another in our string of bad personnel moves of late (Letting KT go, counting on EG, actually giving up draft picks to move an expiring contract, etc).

    Maybe we can turn it around next offseason.
     
  15. Sane

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    1) Posey is making around 4.7M, NOT 6M

    2) He's worth every penny. Posey's defense is no worse than JJ's, but Posey would bring most fastbreak points to this team. He really ignited the fastbreak last year.

    3) Why does it have to be a choice? We could've just not signed Adrian Griffin and signed Posey. We wouldn't be in luxury tax territory since the 6.9M Glen Rice TE doesn't count against the cap, correct?

    4) It's unlikely that there'll be a luxury tax.



    The guy is no saviour, but he was perfect for this team. With his MUCH improved spot-up shooting, I'm wondering how amazing this team could be with him starting at the 3 and JJ coming off the bench backing up the 2/3 spots.

    Yao/Cato
    Cato/MoT/Spoon
    Posey/JJ/Pike
    Mobley/JJ/Pike
    Francis/Wilks

    Would've been nice to see.
     
  16. Desert Scar

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    No, Posey was our own free agent and still would have had our full MLE available.

    But we could still use the 22nd best SF in the league. He is a servicable starter, or real quality 6th man who plays a hustle role w/o complaining or demanding shots--those are nice players to have.

    It was a simply matter of taking profits over the best move for the team because signing him DID NOT cost us an MLE and not signing him did not significantly impact our outlook for getting under the cap to a level where we could outbid an MLE on the free agent market.
     
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    You guys either don't understand how the cap works or are totally brainwashed by Alexander's shills in the Chronicle and whatever other sorry prostitutes he is paying in the Houston media.

    The Rockets could have and should have had both Posey and Jax. The Rockets not only had Posey's Bird rights, but also could match even after they lowballed him and he got an offer sheet from Memphis. Jax was signed with the mid-level exception, which is totally different.

    What's wrong with having a decent small forward AND a decent backup, instead of the sorry pathetic white dudes that are coming in now (Piko and Boko). Memphis has Posey, M.Miller, Battier, Bonzi Wells and drafted Dahntay Jones who all play the same position. What happens if Jax gets injured? Would it be nice to have someone to step in if he's having a night off.

    There are no two ways of telling it. The Rockets fans all around the world got duped by the Cheap b*stard. This year he stood lower than Drayton in my mind. Getting rid of Billy Wags was cheap, but at least we got Petite and Clemens. Letting Posey go, getting outbid on Daniels and Ollie, the guy really screwed up this summer.
     
  18. canoner2002

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    1) first year 4.7mil, if you count that way, JJ is only at 1.5 mil.

    2) we run a half court offense, there are not many fastbreaks. JJ is a much better ball handler than Posey, and can bring the ball up court to share the load with SF.
     
  19. RunninRaven

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    109 years old? Jackson is 33. Unless you don't expect this team to be capable of contending within the next 3 years, he is not too old to be a contributing SF for us during our contending years.
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Good move getting rid of Posey...we have enough bad contracts....good game for him tonight...but I thought we should have done a S&T for Battier.....

    CD has made some CRAP moves lately.....

    DD
     

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