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[Plunk Biggio] Biggio now has record for most hits from 1988-2007

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by weslinder, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. weslinder

    weslinder Member

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    Here's a really cool blog entry about Biggio's 2942nd hit. It moved him past Palmeiro for most hits during the time that he played. He's in some pretty elite company.

    http://plunkbiggio.blogspot.com/2007/04/whats-so-great-about-2942-hits.html


    It's a really long blog entry, but here's the crux of it:

    what's so great about 2,942 hits?

    It's not a nice memorable round number, like 3000 hits. But Craig Biggio's career began in 1988 and he's played in every season since then, and leaderboard for career hits from 1988 to 2007 now looks like this:

    Craig Biggio - 2,942
    Rafael Palmeiro - 2,941
    Roberto Alomar - 2,724
    Barry Bonds - 2,614
    Steve Finley - 2,532

    Baseball often seems to run on milestones, and 3000 hits is an undeniably important one, but one of the problems with milestones is that baseball changes over the years. Some people like to segment the years into statistical eras, and some of the more hardcore stats people figure you can compare different seasons across the decades and centuries by simply normalizing everything to the averages of the seasons they occurred in. Simply. And then you have to adjust for the various differences in the ballparks everyone played. That sound simple, right? But if you're a baseball player, and you can look at the years you played and see that no one in baseball had more hits than you, that means something no matter what the "park factors" and changes in yearly averages tells you. Everyone who played in the years you did played by more or less the same rules and against more or less the same competition, so if no one else had more hits than you during the sum of the years you played, you've done something special, and joined a pretty amazing list of overlapping careers that spans back to the beginning of baseball.

    Again, 3000 hits is 3000 hits. But Rickey Henderson got 3,055 in his years in the majors, while being out hit by 3 different players. Wade Boggs was out hit by Tony Gwynn during his years, and Tony Gwynn was 2nd to Cal Ripken. On the other hand, Kirby Puckett had just 2,304 hits in only 12 seasons - but that was 52 hits more than anyone else had in those 12 seasons. Similarly Bobby Doerr's career total was only 2,042 but that was still 34 more hits than anyone else had in those 14 seasons Doerr played. There's certainly no shame in 2nd place in this category - 22 of the 28 guys who finished 2nd in hits during the years they played are in the Hall of Fame, and Roberto Alomar's odds are pretty good to make it 23. Along with Gwynn, Boggs, and Alomar, that list includes Carl Yastrzemski, Ted Williams, Robin Yount, Rod Carew, Nap Lajoie, Willie Mays, Nellie Fox and Tris Speaker.

    Unless Palmeiro makes a comeback and retakes the lead from Biggio, Mr. Astro will retire as the 29th player ever to lead the league in hits during the span of his career, and the first to lead the league in both hits and HBPs during the years he played. Of the other 28, only 5 are not in the Hall of Fame - one because he's banned, one because he hasn't been voted on yet (and tested positive for steroids).
     
  2. texanskan

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    Biggio=Greatest Astro of all time and top 5 Houston Sports legend.

    I will be there for 3000 if it's in Houston.
     
  3. macalu

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    steve finley? didn't expect him to be up there.
     
  4. Major

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    There are only a handful of people in the majors that have been playing since 1988, so its basically by default. :)
     
  5. msn

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    That's true, but 2,500 hits is something to be proud, regardless of the era. It ain't Cobb-esque, but it's pretty damn good.
     
  6. Major

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    Oh definitely - but its more a testament of his conditioning and ability to play for 19 years rather than the fact that he's a great player. He's only averaged about 140 hits a year, but he's just managed to do it over and over and over and over and over again. :)
     
  7. msn

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    Precisely. Averaging 140 hits a year isn't so striking for 8 or 9 years. But for 19?? Damn. Finley's no hall-of-famer, but he's just one level down. Solid, above-average performer for a long time.
     
  8. Hey Now!

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    tough call, but i'd vote bagwell. berkman will eventually eclipse both. in terms of legend status... i agree, but he (with bagwell) is a step down from dream and campbell, imo.
     
  9. msn

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    Agreed about Dream and Campbell. Campbell, because this is a football town. Dream, because he is one of the best five centers EVER, and because he won it all in Houston--twice.
     
  10. texanskan

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    Dream
    Earl
    Carl Lewis
    Biggio
    Nolan (not just for his time with the Astros but also being from here)

    Bagwell, Clyde, Malone are on the outside looking in
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    VY
    Dream
    Earl
    Carl Lewis
    Biggio
    Nolan
     
  12. texanskan

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    ok my list with VY at the top.

    Maybe someday but not right now
     
  13. weslinder

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    Are we limiting this to five or just naming the true Houston Sports Legends? Because Jack Johnson and George Foreman are definitely Houston Sports Legends.
     
  14. rodrick_98

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    i'm thinking it is houston legends that performed in houston... thus VY and Foreman probably aren't on this list.
     
  15. texanskan

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    no he is right they both deserve to be on that list.
     
  16. Hey Now!

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    i've always preferred "performed for houston;" shortening the list to only individuals who have performed exceedingly well on houston-based teams. no lewis, foreman, et al.
     
  17. msn

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    I'm going to get hammered with all kinds of good-natured ribbing for this, but we're going to include Lewis, I'd include Rhetton as well.

    And, had the Astros won it in 2005, I think Rocket may have been creeping onto some of these lists, short-term Astros career notwithstanding.
     

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