I don't know why but I have a strong feeling that Eddie Griffin will be a very good player. And he has a good chance to be a great player. I checked his stats and found out that he has improved many aspects of his game this year: FG%, 3P%, rebound, steal and assist. Am I the only one who think Eddie Griffin actually has made some good passes to Yao Ming? In the game with Magic (second one) he passed the ball IMMEDIATELY to Yao Ming when Yao had good positions in the post. Yao finished two easy hook shoots. Eddie also passed a few good lob passes to Yao recently. A guy who is 6'10 delivers the lop pass to the 7'6 center. That is what we need, right? I didn't watch any games of him last season. So I don't know why so many people are so disappointed on him. I am just afraid that we will lose a very young, talent palyer. And I HAVE THE FEELING THAT HE WILL BE GOOD IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I always has an accurate instinct on prediction. That is the reason I don't want to trade Eddie now.
W&S, I am in full agreement. In fact he may be ahead of Dirk Nov at the similar stage of development. He needs to get stronger but 2-3 years down the line he will be awesome.
I agree, at least keep him until the trading deadline of next season. He will either have more trade value then or he will emerge one way or the other.
I disagree, Griffin shows nothing to prove he will be great or even good. Trade him now while is stock is still high.
If we are to trade EG, make sure we get good PF in return! I say keep EG. He is multi-talented, and has shown flashes of brilliance. I don't no why, but I think he will bust out next year. And be a really great player for the ROX in two years. Remember he is young, and there aren't many players that's been very succesful at the age of 20. Griffin will definetly be a good player for the Rockets.
why give up on Eddie after so short time? He is a great talent. i know the blazer aren't happy they gave up j o'neal and the raptors aren't ahppy they gave up mcgrady. or the hornets aren't to pleased they gave up on kobe (ok they traded him before he played for them but still)
Exactly. The only way I want to see Griffin shipped is if we get someone in Brand's caliber, someone we KNOW will be able to get us around 20/10 each night. I am a lot less sure about Griffin than I was this summer but at the same token I don't want to give him away for lesser talent. We need someone REAL SOLID in return. We are giving away young "potential" for someone that is already "there" and has already cashed in on their potential such as an Elton Brand.
When he's drafted, people said once he bulked up, developed a post game and learnt to shoot, he would become a superstar ala Kevin Garnett. After his 1st season, the body was not developed, the post game and shooting touch were non-existent. People then said he's still 19, give him time, he would bulk up, develop a post game and learn to shoot better, he would become a superstar. After his 2nd season, body, post game and shooting touch were still not to happen. People still said he's still 20, give him time, he would bulk up, develop a post game and learn to shoot better, then he would become a superstar. So on and on... No I am just not talking about Eddie Griffin, I am talking about Jonathan Bender (in his 4th season, 22 years old) and Darius Miles (in his 3rd season, 21 years old) too. Talking about making excuses...
The thing with EG is that his body has not fully matured. I didn't fill out till I was 22 or 23 (hopefully it won't take EG that long). It's hard to have a good post up game when you are not physically strong enough. I think EG will be just fine. If we can't get someone like Brand, then I say let him develop. I hear people wanting to trade him for someone like Stromile, and I just don't get it. I think EG's numbers were better this year than Stromile, plus he has more upside.
If all we wanted from our PF was passes to Yao, then we'd put a PG at PF. Eddie has a horrible FG%, and while I agree that he will develop very nicely, I'm not willing to wait a few years for him to reach his potential. We can and should win now, why wait? If it means brining Elton Brand or Rashed Wallace to this team, then do it. But I definitely wouldn't trade him for other young players.
If you're going to gamble, then finish the bet. Eddie is a good bet. I can't believe everybody is giving up on him so soon, especially when everybody knew going in that he was at least two years away from being what we need and want. IMO, Eddie will add another 15 pounds of muscle during the off season like he did last year. That puts him at 6'10" and 250 pounds. If that happens and he learns the meaning of the word "arc," there will be lots of fair weather fans proclaiming they were always on Eddie's side of the rainbow.
EG's field goal percentage is 40%, that ain't good. But it ain't horrible either. And Eddie raised his FG% this year, from last years 36%. And what makes you think we can get Sheed?
Here's a compromise. Keep Eddie. But make him think we're looking to trade him this summer, so he gets the message that he isn't untouchable. Trading Kenny Thomas to make way for Eddie was a good move, IMHO, but it probably gave Eddie the idea that success would come to him instead of the other way around.
a) i'm not sure where i stand on trading eddie. i keep thinking he showed very little this year, but for some reason i keep thinking the 3rd season is where it clicks for a lot of people (especially really young players like eddie) and i don't wanna trade a guy right before season #3. b) he definitely showed a better ability to post up this year compared to last (though he did it very little still). last year he got his turnaround jumper blocked about half the time b/c he seemed to have no idea what he was doing. this year when we played portland, he got it off on rasheed about 3 times. there aren't many taller/longer players than sheed so if he doesn't block it, you're in good shape. c) he still has absolutely no arc on his shot. he makes kenny smith look like he was dropping it from the ceiling. however, he did put some arc on a few shots toward the end of the year, and i believe someone mentioned his fg% kept going up throughout the year. i know it was around 36-37 for a long time but finished at 39.97 or something. d) what to think about his 3 pt shooting. it seems he doesn't really shoot a horrendous 3 pt % (33%), it's just that if he's off on a given night, he is really off. and when he misses, it's usually pretty ugly, so that compounds a sorta low % into looking horrible. hell, horry seemed really good at 3's and yet he shot 32.3, 37.9, 36.6% his last 3 years with us, only a few % above eddie. and he started off a freakin 25% 3 pt shooter. e) all that seems to be between him and a decent to above average post game is some muscle. now of course there's no guarantee he'll put in the work to get muscles but it seemed that when he ever got the ball down low, he seemed to be able to get a good look and get it fairly easily (being tall and long will do that for you) he just couldn't finish. now maybe this lack of a finish (i.e. learning to hit a 4 footer) will never come, but maybe he's just too nervous in the post the few times he gets it and some more reps are all that stand between him and consistency. f) he has definitely shown that when he brings energy to a game, he knows how to rebound, and is fairly adept at putbacks. he has also shown that he doesn't bring that energy very often, quite worrisome. so basically, i'm not sure where i stand, he has his good (mostly upside but you can see it every once in a while) and his bad. i don't want him to be a throw away in a trade and we better get a very solid pf back (and someone who still has 8/9 good years left, no 35 year olds) b/c i don't want someone who is just a slight upgrade over 20 year old griffin who won't be an upgrade over 23 year old eddie griffin. and i don't wanna have mo t starting for us when we're getting good. and i don't wanna be looking for another pf 3 years down the road b/c we really didn't get anyone that solid to begin with. essentially, i want brand or i don't wanna get rid of eddie. there are others that fit this bill too, but brand is the only one that gets talked about.
Of all the pro and con Eddie posts I have seen over time this one makes me go 'huh???' I don't know if EG will or will not develop. I do believe he will only develop with the assistance of a mentor (player and/or coach). That formula does not appear to be in place here, now. Anyone know where EG spends his off season, doing his off season work?
