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Player Efficiency Rating

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr. Mooch, May 7, 2006.

  1. Mr. Mooch

    Mr. Mooch Contributing Member

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    So I'm sitting here looking at stats from Basketball-reference.com instead of studying for my huge final tomorrow.

    I came across a statistic I didn't know much about: Player Efficiency Rating

    I'm not sure if this has been brought up in the past, but maybe someone can better explain what it is? It's been around since 1952. After looking through who is rated, I assume a lot of factors go into it, especially team play.

    All I know is TMac is #11 all time (the top 10 consisting of Hall of Famers or sure HOFers) at 23.96, three spots ahead of Hakeem (23.59) and 7 spots ahead of Kobe (23.17).
    Code:
    
    1	Michael Jordan	        27.91
    2	Shaquille O'Neal	27.82
    3	David Robinson	        26.18
    4	Wilt Chamberlain*	26.16
    5	Bob Pettit*	        25.41
    6	Tim Duncan	        25.07
    7	Neil Johnston*	        24.78
    8	Charles Barkley*	24.63
    9	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	24.58
    10	Magic Johnson*	        24.11
    11	Tracy McGrady	        23.96
    It probably doesn't mean much, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Of course the years in Orlando, TMac was the MVP (using the Steve Nash explanation).

    And here's another absolutely amazing stat: Hall of Fame Probability

    The top 60 or so are all in the Hall of Fame or are locks to get in. Just for reference, Jordan and Shaq are in the top 10 with .9999, Hakeem is at 20 with .9977. TMac is at # 74 with .7290.

    But here's where it gets funny:
    Code:
    101	Stephon Marbury  .4521
    102	Steve Francis 	 .4505
    103	Dirk Nowitzki	 .4432
    :p

    What other interesting stats can you come up with?

    Stats taken from http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/
     
  2. JuLiO-R-

    JuLiO-R- Member

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    Salary leaders are for the 1968 through 2006 NBA seasons.

    1 Shaquille O'Neal $191,614,005
    2 Kevin Garnett $147,413,420
    3 Alonzo Mourning $129,279,900
    4 Patrick Ewing *$123,843,120
    5 Chris Webber $121,242,500
    6 Juwan Howard $118,238,700 :eek:
    7 David Robinson *$118,135,623
    8 Scottie Pippen *$109,862,430
    9 Dikembe Mutombo $108,738,924
    10 Karl Malone *$106,468,378
    11 Anfernee Hardaway $104,399,000
    12 Gary Payton $102,494,247
    13 Hakeem Olajuwon * $99,364,188
    14 Reggie Miller * $99,051,748
    15 Allan Houston $98,431,500
    16 Latrell Sprewell $96,622,500
    17 Rasheed Wallace $94,318,246
    18 Michael Jordan * $93,772,500
    19 Grant Hill $91,653,000
    20 Vlade Divac $91,120,625

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/salary_career.html
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Juwan's rediculous contract fixed the game. Guys like Tim Duncan probably aren't too thrilled about it though.
     
  4. WNBA

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    Aaron Williams 1994-2006
    Al Williams 1971-1971
    Alvin Williams 1998-2006
    Art Williams 1968-1975
    Bernie Williams 1970-1974
    Bob Williams 1956-1957
    Brandon Williams 1998-2003
    Buck Williams 1982-1998
    Charles Williams 1968-1973
    Chuck Williams 1971-1978
    Chuckie Williams 1977-1977
    Cliff Williams 1969-1969
    Corey Williams 1993-1994
    Deron Williams 2006-2006
    Duck Williams 1980-1980
    Earl Williams 1975-1979
    Eric Williams 1996-2006
    Fly Williams 1975-1975
    Frank Williams 2003-2005
    Freeman Williams 1979-1986
    Gene Williams 1970-1970
    Gus Williams 1976-1987
    Guy Williams 1985-1986
    Hank Williams 1975-1975
    Herb Williams 1982-1999
    Hot Rod Williams 1987-1999
    Jason Williams 1999-2006
    Jay Williams 2003-2003
    Jayson Williams 1991-1999
    Jerome Williams 1997-2005
    John Williams 1987-1995
    Kenny Williams 1991-1994
    Kevin Williams 1984-1989
    Lorenzo Williams 1993-2000
    Louis Williams 2006-2006
    Marvin Williams 2006-2006
    Maurice Williams 2004-2006
    Micheal Williams 1989-1999
    Mike Williams 1990-1990
    Milt Williams 1971-1975
    Monty Williams 1995-2003
    Nate Williams 1972-1979
    Pete Williams 1986-1987
    Ray Williams 1978-1987
    Reggie Williams 1988-1997
    Rickey Williams 1983-1983
    Rob Williams 1983-1984
    Ron Williams 1969-1976
    Sam Williams 1969-1970
    Sam Williams 1982-1985
    Scott Williams 1991-2005
    Shammond Williams 1999-2004
    Sly Williams 1980-1986
    Travis Williams 1998-1999
    Walt Williams 1993-2003
    Ward Williams 1949-1949
    Willie Williams 1971-1971
     
  5. peleincubus

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    what i want to know is who the hell is neil johnston? and cool idea for a thread.
     
  6. KaiSeR SoZe

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    These stats don't factor in alot of things

    for example:
    Robinson only won a championship w/ Duncan

    if one was to come to the conclusion that these were player rankings, no way in hell is Robinson ahead of Olajuwon
     
  7. Mr. Mooch

    Mr. Mooch Contributing Member

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    Well, just got out of my exam after an all nighter and instead of napping, I'm back researching stats.

    I came across the formula for finding the PER:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/7/0/4706604464b973bebda830a8dd22fca8.png
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY too long to post the image here, but :eek: :eek: :eek:!

    ==============

    On to other stats:
    In the Player Wins category (whatever the hell that is), we've got Hakeem at #2 all time...behind "Goose Egg" Malone:
    Code:
    1	Karl Malone	226.07
    2	Hakeem Olajuwon	186.83
    3	Michael Jordan	184.44
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    [​IMG]
    NEIL JOHNSTON
    Height: 6' 8"
    Weight: 225

    And for more on the obscure Neil Johnston, here's some of his bio:
    • Played basketball at Ohio State
    • Was drafted by the Philadelphia Phillies, but never made it to the big leagues
    • The Warriors were interested in the 6' 8" guy, so they took a chance on him
    • Played from 1951-59; lead the NBA in scoring (1952-55), rebounding (1955), and field goal percentage (1953,1956-57)
    • Appeared in six All-Star Games
    • In 1955-56 Johnston, along with Paul Arizin and Tom Gola, led the Warriors to the NBA championship
    • After retirement, he became a coach (including Wilt's first two years)
    • Died in 1978; elected into the Hall in 1990
    Information from: http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/Johnston.htm

    Learn something new every day I guess.

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    Now on to another stat: Assist/Turnover Ratio

    While it might not prove to be much of a stat to some, I view it as a great way to evaluate quality point guards (and other positions too).

    Code:
    1	John Stockton  	12.9571  
    2 	Muggsy Bogues 	11.8241 
    3 	Johnny Moore 	10.33924 
    4 	Magic Johnson 	9.586584 
    5 	Mark Jackson 	9.352776 
    6 	Corey Gaines 	9.092907 
    7 	Brevin Knight 	8.994472 
    8 	Sidney Lowe 	8.864407 
    9 	Kevin Johnson 	8.6639 	
    10 	Nate Mcmillan 	8.520086 
    11 	Pooh Richardson 8.216311 
    12 	Rickey Green 	8.005071 
    13 	Avery Johnson 	7.928915 	
    14 	Greg Grant 	7.900299 
    15 	[b]Chris Paul[/b]      7.841225 
    Two things; first, at #15 all-time is Chris Paul, above the likes of Steve Nash (#17) and Jason Kidd (#18). Granted he's only played in one season, but it will be worth seeing over the next few seasons if this Rookie of the Year's play remains exceptional.

    Second, just looking through the top 60 in the category, only 4 ever wore a Houston jersey. Sure, guys like Rod Strickland (#22), Mark Jackson (#5), and Taz (#13) played for the Rockets, but these guys were immensely underwhelming.

    Of the games played by the four one-time Rockets in the top 60, 63% of the games played between them were by one man. I present to you the "best" guard to ever play for the Houston Rockets...

    SCOTT BROOKS?!?!

    Yes indeed, with his ~6.61 career Assist/Turnover Ratio, Mr. Brooks, at #34 all-time, is the highest rated Rocket that played in a decent amount of games.

    [​IMG]
    Let's hear it for the little guy!

    okay, so technically when each of these played with the Rox, Brooks was actually the worst with a rough average PPR of 3.28 for his 2+ year tenure; he was pretty good in '92-'93 with a 5.94, playing in all 82 games; but hey, how can one avoid giving the good Scottie some love?

    he didn't quit; he just sucked


    Man, imagine what a REAL point guard could do for this team! :eek:
     
  8. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

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    How could you not know what "player efficiency" is? There was a "Yao's PER" thread about it every day during the season! :D
     
  9. tigermission1

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    If McGrady remains healthy and plays through the age of 35 or so at/near his career-averages, he's a definite HOF.

    However, much like Grant Hill, we all know how quickly that can be derailed due to no fault of their own :(
     
  10. durvasa

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    Something I posted on another board, using the cool APBRMetrics Labs feature at b-r.com:

    Here's the top 10 by age bracket for current players, combining years. The age considered is as of February 1st of a given season. Minimum minutes played set to 500 minutes. Shaq is far and away the most dominating player, as one would expect. And if you're wondering, Kobe just missed out the top 10 for the 18-22 bracket. He was number 12, behind Yao, and had a 20.52 PER. If you look at 18-19 age bracket, he'd be 5th (behind McGrady, LeBron, Carmelo, and Dwight Howard in that order).

    Current Players

    18-22
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	Shaquille O'Neal 	3	9218	26.7
    2	LeBron James 		3	9871	24.2
    3	Tim Duncan 		2	5167	22.9
    4	Tracy McGrady 		5	10746	22.5
    5	Chris Paul 		1	2809	22.1
    6	Elton Brand 		3	8926	21.6
    7	Chris Webber 		3	5063	21.3
    8	Amare Stoudemire 	3	7484	21.2
    9	Andrei Kirilenko 	3	7259	21.0
    10	Alonzo Mourning 	1	2644	20.8
    
    23-27
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	Shaquille O'Neal 	5	10930	28.9
    2	Tim Duncan 		5	15085	25.9
    3	Kevin Garnett 		5	16173	25.4
    4	Tracy McGrady 		4	10557	25.4
    5	Dwyane Wade 		2	5871	25.3
    6	Dirk Nowitzki 		5	15030	25.3
    7	Kobe Bryant 		5	14874	25.0
    8	Elton Brand 		4	11220	23.6
    9	Yao Ming 		3	7085	23.4
    10	Gilbert Arenas 		2	6657	22.6
    

    28-32
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	Shaquille O'Neal 	5	12838	28.2
    2	Kevin Garnett 		2	6081	27.5
    3	Tim Duncan 		2	4990	24.8
    4	Paul Pierce 		1	3087	23.6
    5	Allen Iverson 		3	8315	23.3
    6	Alonzo Mourning 	4	7262	23.1
    7	Gary Payton 		5	15035	22.4
    8	Manu Ginobili 		1	1816	22.4
    9	Vince Carter 		2	5736	22.2
    10	Steve Nash 		4	10697	22.1
    

    33+
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	Shaquille O'Neal 	1	1805	24.4
    2	Sam Cassell 		4	9714	20.8
    3	Grant Hill 		1	612	19.0
    4	Gary Payton 		5	14180	18.0
    5	Alonzo Mourning 	3	2221	17.5
    6	Dikembe Mutombo 	7	12658	16.5
    7	Elden Campbell 		4	4306	16.2
    8	P.J. Brown 		4	10561	15.4
    9	Toni Kukoc 		5	6839	15.0
    10	Jon Barry 		4	4421	14.8
    
    And, for fun, here's the top ten lists looking at all players since 1978. People forget how good David Robinson was in his prime. From a statistical perspective, at least, he was awesome.

    All Players, since 1978

    18-22
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	Shaquille O'Neal 	3	9218	26.7
    2	Michael Jordan 		2	3595	26.1
    3	LeBron James 		3	9871	24.2
    4	Tim Duncan 		2	5167	22.9
    5	Marques Johnson 	2	5544	22.6
    6	Magic Johnson 		3	7157	22.6
    7	Tracy McGrady 		5	10746	22.5
    8	Chris Paul 		1	2809	22.1
    9	Elton Brand 		3	8926	21.6
    10	Chris Webber 		3	5063	21.3
    
    23-27
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	Michael Jordan 		5	16078	31.1
    2	Shaquille O'Neal 	5	10930	28.9
    3	Charles Barkley 	5	14581	27.1
    4	David Robinson 		4	11872	26.3
    5	Tim Duncan 		5	15085	25.9
    6	Kevin Garnett 		5	16173	25.4
    7	Tracy McGrady 		4	10557	25.4
    8	Dwyane Wade 		2	5871	25.3
    9	Dirk Nowitzki 		5	15030	25.3
    10	Kobe Bryant 		5	14874	25.0
    
    28-32
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	David Robinson 		5	11938	29.4
    2	Michael Jordan 		4	9927	28.5
    3	Shaquille O'Neal 	5	12838	28.2
    4	Kevin Garnett 		2	6081	27.5
    5	Larry Bird 		5	12433	26.5
    6	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 	3	8565	26.4
    7	Magic Johnson 		4	11393	25.5
    8	Hakeem Olajuwon 	5	14070	25.5
    9	Karl Malone 		5	15721	25.1
    10	Tim Duncan 		2	4990	24.8
    
    33+
    Code:
     	[color="Navy"]Name			Yrs	MP	PER[/color]
    1	Karl Malone 		8	21051	24.8
    2	Shaquille O'Neal 	1	1805	24.4
    3	Michael Jordan 		4	11413	23.5
    4	David Robinson 		5	10462	22.4
    5	Charles Barkley 	4	6398	22.2
    6	John Stockton 		8	18749	21.9
    7	Hakeem Olajuwon 	7	13038	21.5
    8	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 	9	22532	21.2
    9	Magic Johnson 		1	958	21.1
    10	Dan Issel 		4	8663	21.0
    
     
  11. tigermission1

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    Wow! I had no idea T-Mac was ranked so high in many of those categories :eek:
     

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