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Plan to Close Guantánamo Now Delayed Until 2011 at the Earliest

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  1. MojoMan

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    This is good news. Guantanamo is a perfectly fine facility for detaining unlawful combatants, such as the ones currently being held there. It was a remarkably bad idea to transfer them here to a federal prison on American soil, as proposed by Barack Obama. As a result, Congress refusal to provide funding for this exercise is a very positive and welcome development.

    Obama needs to learn to measure his words much more carefully. He speaks without regard for the difficulty of making his great boasts come to pass. It is sad to see him diminish not only himself, but also the office which he holds and the credibility of the United States with empty talk such as his early promise to close Guantanamo within a year. It was obvious at the time that he made this commitment that he was just shooting his mouth off. As President of the United States, he should have known better than to play the fool with this highly sensitive issue.

    From the New York Times:

    [RQUOTER]Plan to Move Guantánamo Detainees Faces a New Delay

    WASHINGTON — Rebuffed this month by skeptical lawmakers when it sought finances to buy a prison in rural Illinois, the Obama administration is struggling to come up with the money to replace the Guantánamo Bay prison.

    As a result, officials now believe that they are unlikely to close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and transfer its population of terrorism suspects until 2011 at the earliest — a far slower timeline for achieving one of President Obama’s signature national security policies than they had previously hinted.

    While Mr. Obama has acknowledged that he would miss the Jan. 22 deadline for closing the prison that he set shortly after taking office, the administration appeared to take a major step forward last week when he directed subordinates to move “as expeditiously as possible” to acquire the Thomson Correctional Center, a nearly vacant maximum-security Illinois prison, and to retrofit it to receive Guantánamo detainees.

    But in interviews this week, officials estimated that it could take 8 to 10 months to install new fencing, towers, cameras and other security upgrades before any transfers take place. Such construction cannot begin until the federal government buys the prison from the State of Illinois.

    The federal Bureau of Prisons does not have enough money to pay Illinois for the center, which would cost about $150 million. Several weeks ago, the White House approached the House Appropriations Committee and floated the idea of adding about $200 million for the project to the military spending bill for the 2010 fiscal year, according to administration and Congressional officials.

    But Democratic leaders refused to include the politically charged measure in the legislation. When lawmakers approved the bill on Dec. 19, it contained no financing for Thomson.

    The administration will probably not have another opportunity until Congress takes up a supplemental appropriations bill for the Afghanistan war. Lawmakers are not likely to finish that bill until late March or April.

    Moreover, the administration now says that the current focus for Thomson financing is the appropriations legislation for the 2011 fiscal year. Congress will not take that measure up until late 2010.

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  2. astros148

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    You do know alot of ppl there are innocent right...
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    Like Omar Khadr?
     
  4. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    It's a lot easier to create disasters like Gitmo and Iraq than to clean them up. In fact a lot of Obama's Presidency seems to be about fixing the messes created under Bush but some of you believe he should be able to clean up eight years of cluster**** in one year.
     
  5. ChrisBosh

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    Obama had a big talk about how he was bringing change, lol, what has the guy accomplished in one year..........nothing at all (okay not nothing, but clearly not up to expectations). People still don't get what Obama's doctrine is.....at least Bush was clear on his, Obama appears as though he is just winging it, IMO.
     
  6. MojoMan

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    You guys realize that this was a bipartisan move lead by the Democrats in Congress, right?

    From the original article:

    [RQUOTER]But Democratic leaders refused to include the politically charged measure in the legislation. When lawmakers approved the bill on Dec. 19, it contained no financing for Thomson.[/RQUOTER]

    Obama should never have made this commitment. You may have heard the old saying "Don't let your mouth get your ass in trouble." President Obama appears to be deficient in his understanding of these wise words. He would be well advised to begin making himself familiar with them.
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Democrats are cowards, what else can you expect from them?

    Though Obama's plan seems to be more or less to be just moving Guantanamo north, which really serves no point at all. well, be happy jorge, terrorists will be illegally tortured somewhere.
     
  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The main reason that's the case is because countries don't want these people back. Who would? So unless we're going to disappear these people into secret prisons throughout the world (something that would be hard to do since everyone knows we have them already) taking them from a legal nowhere, PR disaster that is Gitmo and putting them in American max prisons is the logical alternative.
     
  9. TheFreak

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    They were going to be pretty easy to clean up per Obama the campaigner.
     
  10. Cohete Rojo

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    I've probably been confused like everyone else during the debate but what exactly are they closing in Guantanamo? The 7-11? Closing the entire base is just laughable just like pulling all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
  11. Dairy Ashford

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    Per Wikipedia, U.S. signed a virtually perpetual lease at the Bay, although there's been alot of back-and-forth about Cuban sovereignty since Castro. So they're probably not going to shut-down the whole base, just the detention center.
     
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    i don't recall him ever saying it was going to be easy. anyone with half a brain knew that it'd take time to clean up the mess left behind by cheney and his cronies' rape of america from '01-'09.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Stupid plan - disperse them throughout the federal prison system. Problem solved.
     
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    Feel the Hope.
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  15. MojoMan

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    The Democrats in Congress say no. And on this one, they are right for a change.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    This post is addressed to the individual posting as Clutchfans.net user "MojoMan"

    Explain why normal federal prisons cannot contain these super-villains. Thanks in advance.
     
  17. MojoMan

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    The ability of these prisons to "contain" them is not at issue here.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    This post is addressed to the individual posting as Clutchfans.net user "MojoMan"

    So you concede that there is no logical reason why a federal prison cannot contain these super-villains - this rare showing of candor is appreciated. :)
     
  19. pgabriel

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    link?

    I'm glad to see you admit that they are problems that need to be "cleaned up"
     
  20. juicystream

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    Its not following through on promises. Its quite possible that the President underestimated what being President was like.
     

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