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Pippen "KG is the most overrated underacheiver in the NBA"

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by noize, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. noize

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    "KG is the most overrated underacheiver in the NBA." -Scotti on KG during the NBA on ABC pregame show.

    Wow, I can't believe scotti said this b/c I always thought they both had similiar games. He compared him to Webber on how they both have identical career stats but Webber did more and was able to get out of the first round more often then KG. Scotti continued, saying that KG won all of these individual accolates but couldn't take his team to the playoff 2 yrs in a row. Thats a little harsh coming from someone that had played along side the GOAT. Mark Jackson did defended KG, saying that he never had the right pieces to contend every year.

    What do you guys think? Is what Scotti said justifiable?
     
  2. Hakeem06

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    i didn't hear it but it doesn't surprise me that he said that. i've watched KG a lot and i believe there are some holes in his game, but not many. i always felt he could be a little more agressive at getting to the line for free throws, but other than that. his game is complete.

    i just find it funny how KG gets more criticism from the media than dirk, even though KG is the better passer, rebounder, and defender. KG is a perimeter orientated big man but unlike dirk he can actually go to the post and score, he just doesn't do it as much as he should.

    but back to what scottie said, KG is not overrated and not an underachiever. there have only been a couple of seasons in his career where there was actually a good team around him. without KG the t'wolves never would have made the playoffs at all. i just wish that minn. would trade him to a good team so he could get the ring he deserves and shut morons like scottie up.

    scottie wasn't nearly the all-around player KG was, and wasn't the loyal, team player like him either. again, i find it funny that scottie sits back and calls other players "overrated".....pure comedy.
     
  3. tigermission1

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    I completely agree with Pip, I have always thought that was the case with KG, he's been a media darling and therefore he gets a lot of pass. But I do believe that he could've won more and carried his team more on his back if he truly was a dominant big man.

    Stats are not everything, there have been many players who've put up great numbers but couldn't win. IMO, KG and Webber are in the same league, the same calibre players as far as 'dominance' or 'greatness' is concerned.

    I by no means put all the blame on him, I understand he needs better fit players around him. But the biggest problem with him has always been his lack of dominance. He will fill up the stats sheet, but he won't will his team to victories 90% of the time. He disappears far too often in the crunch.

    I think it's fair analysis, people will certainly disagree and I think an argument could be made either way, but I have always believed that about KG; I am glad someone finally had the guts to publicly state so. KG has been getting a pass for far too long. Sam and Spree put him over the top (especially Sam with his ability to close out games, which KG lacks at), without them he has missed playoffs badly two years running now. Why? Injuries certainly aren't an excuse in their case, they have at least better talent than the Lakers; I firmly believe KG is not a 'great' player because he can't will his team to wins or at least to the playoffs (.500 record is not asking much).
     
  4. m_cable

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    "Most overrated underachiever" That is brutal. And quite laughable considering who it is coming from. You put KG on those Bulls teams instead of Scottie and he'd have 6 rings too.

    It's pretty clear that KG isn't a #1 scoring option on a contender, but that doesn't mean that he isn't a great player. Put him on a team next to Lebron, Kobe, Pierce, or (a healthy) Mcgrady and they'd be legit title contenders and definitely capable of winning the whole thing.
     
  5. UTweezer

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    if i remember correctly...a few years back when the wolves were in the western conference finals against the lakers he missed some free throws which would have put the wolves ahead 3-1.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Snottie was lucky to play with MJ
    otherwise he would be KG minus the great personality

    Rocket River
     
  7. apostolic3

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    I will never ever forget that. KG was at the line with that determined scowl he used to wear and bricked 'em. Then Kobe gets fouled, drills both FTs and that was the difference. IMO, KG choked, pure and simple. In the big picture, Sam's injury cost the T-Wolves that series and a shot at the Pistons.

    I love KG to the point of bias, and I cringe when he is criticized harshly. But clearly something is missing. KG was very raw in his first 2 years and I doubted how good he would become. He's developed his skills over the years with hard work every summer. Except for this year, the guy plays to the max every single game. Yet his playoff failures are so striking you must lay some of the blame on him. He doesn't step up to the next level when the going gets tough like Duncan, Kobe, AI, etc. but he doesn't wimp out like VC. Just somewhere in the middle.

    Kevin McHale deserves a large amount of the blame for giving KG only one team with a real chance at a title.
     
  8. Ziggy

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    On time Pip got on Francis because Pip hates players that demand trades, complain about management, act unproffesional, etc... I wanted to reach in the television and slap him. He had described himself. KG would have gotten as far or farther than say Malone if KG had a Stockton type counterpart. And everyone slurps Malone too.
     
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    I agree completely, how that man still has his job I'll never know.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Pippen wasn't an underacheiver, but he was certainly overrated. Pippen is in no position to criticize anyone. Pippen dodged responsibility for poor performances and mistakes throughout his career, so his laying blame at someone else's feet, is less than meaningless.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    ...and yet another day in the life of Scottie Pippen, ******* at large.
     
  12. R0ckets03

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    Scottie calling other people overrated. hehe...oh the irony
     
  13. pradaxpimp

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    KG just isn't fantastic like he could be. KG could be awesome if he played down low, commanded a double team, and constantly had the other team's bigs in foul trouble. That said, KG is Fantastic on 3/4 of the court. All Defense and 1/2 on the offensive side.

    Now Scottie. U take Mike away and you got ****.
     
  14. KingCheetah

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    We all saw first hand what Pippen did without MJ.
     
  15. xiki

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    Pippen needed his daddy. Without MJ Pip was bullied and won uh, nuthin'. Loser.

    The irony is that SP is trying to follow Charles as an outspoken personality. :D
     
  16. verse

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    kg's a big ole oxymoron.

    a superstar who doesn't want the ball in the clutch.
     
  17. Zboy

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    To be fair, the year MJ was out, Pippen did lead his team past the 1st round of playoffs.

    Its often overlooked how much help Jordan had and how good of a system he played in.
     
  18. TheFreak

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    Yeah, he went farther than Garnett ever has, and he didn't have anyone as good as Cassell on his team. And I'm not a Pippen fan.

    He's right about Garnett; Webber is a good comparison. I'd still take Webber over him. They're both late game chokers, but I just like(d) Webber's game more.
     
  19. Tom Bombadillo

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    KG is one of the best rebounders this game has seen.
    KG is one of the best power forward passers ever.
    KG is good for 20-25 points a game.
    He is in the same mold as old school players such as the old showtime lakers and the Celts. He does not have a young, ballhoggin MJ/kobe/tmac personality. He wants to accomplish the goal as part of a team and thats how he looks at it. He cares more about his teammates than himself which looks like a weakness to some.

    If I was to play pick up five on five KG would and should be on the top of the list.

    The best team that ever surrounded him was a shaky/injured Sam Cassel and an out of prime Latrell.He carried that team.It wasnt Sam,it was KG. If you sit down and watch those games its KG doing all the dirty work and demanding all the attention making Sam and others look better than they were. Like Hakeem, He gave everyone else wide open shots.
     
  20. KingCheetah

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    Please don't come in here with logic and facts when we are bad mouthing scottie quitten...

    ;)
     

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