Phoenix Suns' offseason deals don't get bang for their buck

Dudley was a good signing but the rest have predictably bombed in comparison to their contracts. I'll keep saying, Sarver needs the cap/financial relief BADLY, Yao makes all the sense in the world for them. At the deadline, I would look into Nash, their 1st rd pick and one of their crap deals for Yao.

 

Suns are a bunch of scrubs.

Thought Nash would make Warrick a very decent player, guess not.

Only young talent they have is Dragic.

 

The Suns lost their mind signing Childress. They must have thought playing with Nash would make him into something special.

They should have known Channing Frye would have a dropoff after last season. He's a real nice guy but is soft as butter.

 

What's new? they were once a top team then they bring Shaq.

 

yea . . if the rockets are going to try to rip them off
I think Dragic is the better value than Nash at this point

Rocket River

 

So, basically, they gave these 5 guys the $100 mil they could have given to Amare?

 

Money they could have used to resign Amar'e to a max deal.

 

I'm still puzzled as to why they didn't just re-sign Amare to all that money that they gave to get Hedo, Warrick and etc.

Another thing, why didn't they go after Scola? They could have offered much more than us and Morey probably wouldn't have matched.

Thank God their owner is an idiot cheapskate.

 

Nash does absolutely nothing for us, we need size and defense, scoring is not our problem!

 

I think the whole "Amare needs a Nash" argument has come to its conclusion. Phoenix without Amare sucks terribly. The Knicks with Amare are solid

 

Nash does a lot for us, he provides a floor general and closer. I love Lowry and really like AB but neither are at his level and he could be the guy to attract more stars. Plus, the Suns are sinking so if you can get their #1 pick next year...the deal would be fantastic. We need size but Nash makes EVERYONE better including JHill, Scola and Martin.

 

Actually, PHX is still quite good offensively (1st overall last year, 3rd overall this year), though they definitely saw a drop. Their defense that went from bad last year to historically bad this season (on pace to be 6th worst of ALL TIME).

Amare was no defensive demon, but the guys who took his minutes so far-- Warrick, Turkoglu, etc. were just real defensive sieves.

The Knicks with Amare are basically a .500 team. They are 7th in offense and 7th worst in defense.

Both of them seem to be fine offensively without each other, judging by both personal stats and team offensive rating, but Nash's team is just so horrible on D (and he's a part of the horribleness, though in the past his teams have not been this historically horrible for the most part).

EDIT: Actually, as far as personal numbers go: Nash's numbers are about the same as last seasons. Amare's usage is up a bit and his efficiency seems to have dropped significantly (ORtg went from 117 to 108, TS% from .615 to .584). He can still score in bunches, but is finding less easy shots.

 

i think of all those players, Dudley has a chance to be somewhat productive.

Frye and Warrick hasn`t shown anything to deserve big contracts.

Josh Childress really never did anything while with ATL so i`m not sure where all that hype comes from.

 

Its too bad Stoudmire left. I believe the Suns could have gotten deep in the playoffs if he would have stayed. A typical Steve Nash, an ageless Grant Hill, explosive J-Rich (when they still had him), good defender/shooter in Dudley and Lopez and Stoudmire clogging up the paint. Not mention Fyre, Childress, and Turoglu, Dragic coming off the bench. Oh well, that's one less team to worry about in the West.

 

Throw some cap relief their way.. we'll take their mid to late lottery pick.

Chilly was solid in ATL but not worth the $$ he got here. With that said him and pick with Battier traded in another deal we would be OK.

Hakim Warrack was dumb. Hes nothing more than a 9th man. At best a backup for a 4. (with that said I was praying for the Rockets to draft him)

Turkeyglue... Come On.. Even after singing Chilldress.. WTF?

Dudley.. smart dude. worth the contract. will figure out what he needs to do.

Fyre.. Way too soft. decent shooter. a mild overpay but at least has a role.





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You could pay amare 5 mil more and this wouldnt have even been an issues.

 

Nash may not fill what he need or want but he is infinitely better than what we have. Lowry and Brooks are a super solid duo but Nash is one of the best. Scola and Hill would explode under him. We would go from playoff contenders to "could make some noise in the playoffs" that alone is worth it.


Brooks+Battier+2012 Knicks Pick

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Chilldress and 2012 Suns pick ( top 3 protected)

 

They wanted him to drop his asking price, they felt his knees were too risky for MAX contract. Its a good long term decision, even if Amare doesnt get injured again. Why risk that type of injury and money? I think they did right by not getting Amare.

Just look at Roy and Oden. Why do you think Pritchard got fired after he made Portland turnaround like that? Because he gave ROY an extension full-well knowing the risks and he picked Oden knowing full well what could happen. He was adament in both moves and payed the price for taking the risks.

 

Some teams think filling out a roster and having pieces everywhere filling more holes means overall the team is better. Its not always like that in the NBA where premium star power is still a big factor in team performance.

The Suns are better with Amare & Nash + filler than the current roster. Most understandably thought the NBA title ship sailed on the Suns after 6+ seasons never even getting to the Finals. They retooled in another direction but it looks like its already time to blow it up.

 

amare wanted to leave. he's in his prime. why sign long term with a team that relies on nash and grant hill? on a 6 year contract they would be good for the first two years then suck the rest of his career while they tried to rebuild.

i think amare was gone no matter what and the suns tried to use their money to fill in the gaps but came up way short. getting out of richardson and turkoglu's contracts is a good rebuilding move. next up has to be nash with a couple of their offseason signings.