Didn't see it discussed yet, so here's a new thread. Rose Allegedly Admits Betting in Book Saturday, January 3, 2004 ESPN.com news services http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1699418 With publication of his new book, Pete Rose may be changing his story, admitting publicly for the first time what he's been denying for 14 years, that he bet on baseball. The Philadelphia Inquirer, citing a "person privy to some of the contents" of "My Prison Without Bars," reports in its Saturday edition that Rose confesses in the book, which has been embargoed until its official publication date Thursday. Citing a major league official, the New York Times reported Wednesday that Rose, in fact, told commissioner Bud Selig on Nov. 25, 2002, that he had bet on baseball. On Friday, in an op-ed article in the Times, former baseball commissioner Fay Vincent, writing about the book, notes that "word is" Rose admits to betting on baseball, but that he "confronts his past with very little remorse." It is believed that Rose will have to both admit to gambling on baseball and apologize for his actions for Selig to reinstate him into good standing, thus making him eligible for election to the Hall of Fame. As ESPN.com columnist Rob Neyer speculated on Dec. 17, and as the Inquirer and Times have noted in their recent articles and columns, such a mea culpa by Rose in his book would come two days after the new Hall of Fame class is announced and could be the start of Rose's campaign for redemption and induction. According to the Inquirer, Rodale Press, which is publishing the book, declined Friday to comment on the contents of the book. Rose was banned from baseball for life in 1989 by commissioner Bart Giamatti after being investigated for gambling while managing the Cincinnati Reds. Rose was declared ineligible for the Hall of Fame in 1991. In the agreement between Giamatti and Rose suspending Rose, baseball did not formally conclude that Rose was guilty of gambling on the sport but Giamatti stated that he personally believed that Rose had bet on baseball. Giamatti had before him the findings of independent investigator John Dowd, who detailed 412 baseball wagers that he said Rose made between April 8 and July 5, 1987, while managing the Reds, including 52 bets on Cincinnati to win. Rose applied to Selig for reinstatement in 1997 and Selig began reviewing the appeal in earnest after the November 2002 meeting during which Rose is said to have confessed. Selig declined to comment to the Inquirer Friday on the latest developments, reiterating that Rose has the right to appeal his lifetime ban and that he, the commissioner, is reviewing the case. Such a review would undoubtedly include the contents of the new book -- whether there's a confession and, if a confession, whether there's an apology. As for the Hall of Fame, a player has a 15-year period starting five years after his retirement during which he is eligible for election by the baseball writers. If Rose is reinstated, his final year of eligibility on the ballot would be in December 2005. After that, his possible selection would pass to the veterans committee, which includes all living Hall of Famers, some of whom are adamantly opposed to his induction. The first printing of the book, priced at $24.95, is huge at 500,000 copies. With those numbers, Rodale Press obviously expects Rose's book to make a big splash, and, according to the Inquirer's source, baseball's all-time hit leader has delivered. This guy doesn't deserve to be back in baseball in any form. I don't know if he wants to be in the Hall of Fame (which would add to his selfishness considering how much $$$ he will make on this book) or if he justs wants to return to managing to some degree. How can you let a guy back in who gambled on his team? If that's not enough, he continues to lie for a full 14 years, and now he thinks that apologizing will make him eligible. Rose doesn't deserve ****. He finally admits his stupidity. Good for him. So now he thinks he can just walk back in with an apology and that's it. If he does get reinstated, there's only on man stupider than he: Alan H. Selig. I don't know how anyone can feel remorse for the guy and thinks it's okay for him to be reinstated. What kind of message would this send???
agreed. He's only admitting the gambling because he thinks it'll get him in the all, no remorse, no apology.
I don't understand why people want to let him back in if he admits to actually breaking the rules. If that line of thinking applied to all aspects of life, then criminals could walk free after saying they did it.
Who cares, let him in the hall of fame...... Put an asterisk by his name, heck you have some of the most dispicable human beings ever alive in the Hall of fame. Rose bet on baseball, yep, so what, he still deserves the Hall based upon his playing career. DD
See it would be better to know what Rose really wants. I've heard stories of him wanting to be in the Hall, then I hear otehrs sayinghe just wants to try to 'give something back' to baseball by managing again. I could understand the latter more, but I don't think he would be that good of a manager anyway. I would also care less if he just wanted back to the game. Now no one knows the real story, but if Rose is reinstated, then Joe Jackson should be as well. No one will disagree that Rose had a great baseball career, but he was absolutely the stupidest person during his managerial career. Why the **** would he even need to bet on a team with the kind of money he got??? Again, this book just adds to his greed.
Why? He broke the most sacrosanct of all of baseball's rules, the punishment for which is lifetime banishment - frankly I think that's going a little easy on him myself. Part of the qualification for being in the Hall is that you are in good standing with baseball, Rose is not, therefore he does not deserve to be in the Hall.
I actually have a problem with letting him back in the game. The Hall of Fame? I couldn't care less. Players should placed in the Hall dependent on their playing careers (wins, losses, stats, etc). But to have him back in the game in a managerial position is out of the question. He freakin' bet on the game and has shown NO REMORSE at all about it. He ruined the most important rule of the sport, a rule that is specifically outlined through a sign in each lockerroom in each ballpark across the land. He has brought shame upon the game, himself, and his family. There is no way he should be given another job with the MLB again, no matter the position. The Hall of Fame? eh... let him in.
Well, they kind of do. You see them all the time in court pleading "not guilty," but when they go to prison for 14 years and come up before the parole board, they unilaterally admit to the crime in order to project an image of rehabilitation. Exactly the same scenario here. This is like Rose's chance at parole after all these years...he's already been sentenced and he's already served a lot of time on this charge. Even life sentences come up for parole.
If he'd bet against his team, I'd feel differently, and want him banned for life. He only bet for them, apparently. Let him back in.
By betting for him, he sent a message that when he didn't bet for them, he didn't feel as comfortable with the team that day. If he bet on baseball, he should never be allowed to return to the game in anything other than a promotional role.
I think his admitting to baseball is just a media attempt to get people ot buy his book. Everyone and their mother knew he bet on baseball before he actually admitted to it.
Exactly. No way in hell should Rose get reinstated over Shoeless Joe. For those who are not familiar with the Black Sox Scandal, not only was Shoeless Joe one of the greatest hitters of his time (only Ty Cobb was better) but there was never ever any definitive proof that he was guilty like Buck Weaver or Lefty Williams or some of the others that were implicated. I believe that he batted like .375 or higher in that 8 game world series - he was really trying hard to throw that series, wasn't he? So, my vote is no - do not let him back in baseball or the Hall of Fame or at least not until Shoeless Joe is let into the Hall.
A Rose by any other name would smell as ass. I really, really hope the man is never reinstated. How much weight will a lifetime ban carry in the future when "lifetime" translates to "fourteen years"?
I'm glad to see that SportsCenter opened up with various sound bytes of Rose denying it, then showing him admitting it. I mean, it seems that many hate Fay Vincent and I don't see how. He had a great quote saying that if Rose had just admitted it in the first place, he would have gone through some type of treatment program by going around preaching the dangers of gambling. Rose would be idolized in Cooperstown right now. Rose has got to be the stupidest person I have ever heard of. He denies gambling on baseball, but acknowledges betting on every other sport, even when there was a paper trail proving he was lying. Now he has admitted to betting on baseball, but denies betting against the Reds. SO??! He STILL bet on the Reds. EVen so he probably bet against the Reds. This idiot belongs in here: And the fact that he admits now makes him not guilty anymore???? Knowing Bud Selig, he will probably end up reinstating the guy because if there's anyone that baseball fans (if there are any left) hate more, it's Selig. I don't agree with the decisions Selig makes; I certainly did not agree with him stopping the All-Star game, but it was the right thing to do. While he won't, I can only hope that Selig will do the right thing: Sustain Rose's lifetime ban from baseball. One more thing; it just amazes me how stupid Rose is. The longer he waited, the more guilty he was. If he came out with the truth the third time he denied it, he would probably be in baseball at the moment. Amazing timing with the HOF balloting. Hmmm... Oh, and might want to merge the threads.
What kind of p***y waits 14 years to admit he bet on his OWN team while managing the Reds? If he admits it in the beginning, there wouldnt be as much backlash. I hate the putz.
Edit - bet on baseball. We know you bet on the Reds Pete..... Just a selfish bullsh!t way to sell books and admit guilt at the same time..... Not only is he a putz - hes a greedy putz!
He's still lying. Dirty Rose Tuesday, January 6, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1701880 ESPN.com news services MIAMI -- One of Pete Rose's former gambling associates disputes the career hit leader's claim that he never bet on baseball from the Cincinnati Reds' clubhouse. Thomas Gioiosa, who once lived in Rose's Cincinnati home and now owns a health-supplement store in Ormond Beach, Fla., said in a telephone interview Tuesday that he often saw Rose wager on baseball before games. "I was there, and we did it every day," Gioiosa said. Rose admits in "My Prison Without Bars," his autobiography due out Thursday, that he gambled on the Reds while managing them. But in excerpts from the book obtained by ESPN.com, he says he only bet on the Reds to win and "never made any bets from the clubhouse." "As we all know, it's very hard to take self-responsibility publicly," Gioiosa said. "I think he wants to air out his closet, but he doesn't want to air the whole thing out. Nobody really does. You've got to leave some skeletons. I wish he'd just come clean with everything. I just wonder if he ever will tell the whole story." Gioiosa said Rose would use information from telephone conversations with other managers to help decide which teams to bet on. Rose made bets by telephone from his clubhouse office, Gioiosa said. "He'd pick up the phone, press 0 and say, 'Get me an outside line,' " Gioiosa said. "And when he was betting, there were numbers. He'd say, 'Give me No. 1,' and that would be the Reds. 'No. 4' would be the Phillies. 'No. 8' would be someone else." Gioiosa was convicted in September 1989 of conspiring to distribute cocaine, conspiring to defraud the government and filing a false income tax return in 1987. He was accused of claiming Rose's winning $47,646 ticket from a racetrack on his income taxes because Rose would have had to pay taxes at a higher rate. He was also convicted of planning to transport cocaine from Florida to Cincinnati. He was freed from prison in 1992 and served five years of supervised release. Rose and Gioiosa met in 1978 and Gioiosa "became, over the next few years, a constant companion and runner for Pete Rose," according to the 1989 report by baseball lawyer John Dowd that led to the agreement in which Rose accepted a lifetime ban. Dowd's report detailed telephone calls between Rose and his gambling network, including calls made from the Reds' clubhouse. Gioiosa began running bets for Rose in 1984, the report found. Gioiosa said he did not cooperate with Dowd's investigation. Rose spent five months in prison in 1990 and 1991 for filing false tax returns. In the book, Rose admits placing bets through Gioiosa. Dowd concluded Rose bet on baseball from 1985-87 and detailed 412 baseball wagers between April 8-July 5, 1987, including 52 on Cincinnati to win. Gioiosa said he and Rose last spoke in 1989, but that he will buy Rose's book. "I want to see what he has to say," Gioiosa said. "I might even stand in line and have him sign it."
Ya know just once I'd like to see the media ignore an attention w**** like Rose and let him stay buried in his own grave. His character is too much like a swindling weasel who will only admit to being wrong if it benefits him. So he publishes it in a book about his lieing to make money, and even in the book he still tries to come off clean and without any remorse about the his poor decision to gamble on baseball.
