The guy chased down and killed a pig with a knife , if that's not hunting I don't know what is.I don't know how many of you have attempted to catch any animal tame or not that didn't want to be caught you know how hard it can be and how far fetched PETA's argument is. What I want to know is where was PETA when all those poor earth worms were eaten?I guess there's just not enough glory in that sort of protest and besides by all acounts pigs are just cuter. I hate these commie hippies that generally make up groups such as PETA....now there's a broad generalization for you! ------------------ I'm worse at what I do best And for this gift I feel blessed
I know nothing about this except what Ia ju rad. i did not see this, so i cannot attest to the cruelty of the killing. However... I did see something that was talking bo how the contestants are not hurting for food -- they are properly fed, etc...so it is not like real survival or anything. If a pig was brought in or trapped for the purpose of killing it to make it seem more "real" or to be talked about, then it iwrong. It is the reason there are laws against harming animals during the filming of movies. So, I would side with PETA/Humane Soc. on this one. Of course, I do not know all of the facts -- this is just an "if" scenario. Paige, Perhaps the vegetarian thing is that people saw the killing/slaughter and it just made them think about how that was wrong, or something? i was wondering the same thing you were, though. Something killed in nature is much better than our factory farming industry. ------------------ Take an object. Do something to it. Do something else to it. " " " " "
Here's a response to that <blockquote><center>Pigs bite off man's ear, testicle and part of his scalp</center> A Romanian pig farmer lost an ear, part of his scalp and a testicle when his herd attacked him. The 69-year-old was cleaning out the pigs' sty when they attacked. One of his pigs knocked him to the ground and several others mauled him. Gheorghe Miscoiu, who lives near the city of Arad, around 340 miles north-west of Bucharest, was knocked unconscious in the attack. Doctors say his condition isn't life-threatening. They originally thought his brain might have been damaged in the attack. Dr Anca Baizat of the local hospital's plastic surgery department said: "I haven't ever seen anything quite like it."</blockquote> ------------------ All your base are belong to us
Rimbaud, The contestants are given a couple of big tins of rice, and some flour. Otherwise, they have to catch (or win) everything they eat. The contestants for the first Survivor really suffered from malnutrition -- the winner, Richard Hatch lost 35 pounds in his 39 days, if that tells you anything. This batch is better off, because there's more food available to them. They are catching some fish, and the group that got the pig won 4 live chickens the same day, so they are better off than the first batch. The contestants still have the mandate that if they want to eat -- they have to hunt. Something not pointed out in the press releases -- Survivor consulted the Australian government before the show, and told them the contestants would be hunting. The government gave a list of requirements -- including off-limits animals, including Kanagroos, Koalas, Sugar Gliders, and a dozen or so other animals. The government specifically told them to kill all the Feral Pigs and Rabbits they wanted, because they are overpopulated to the point it is considered a problem. Contestants were encouraged to go after these animals for food, and the use of spears was suggested. I imagine the government was fully aware of how the show worked, and didn't expect the contestants to be given rifles or stun-guns. Where was PETA when they were strangling rats in Survivor 1? ------------------ Stay Cool...
I eat meat. Not healthy or necessary, per se, but I eat meat. It WAS "hunting". It WAS cruel. Life lives on life. I eat meat. ------------------ C-son
Actually, I seem to remember hearing a blurb that some PETA-type folks (I don't remember if it was PETA or someone else) was actually a bit outraged over the rat-eating in Survivor 1. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
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What about the fish they caught? And the chickens they were given. They're not just going to sit around and watch the chickens all day. Eventually they're going to kill them. ------------------ "Relax... kids swallow quarters all the time. If she craps out two dimes and a nickel then start worrying!" -Grumpier Old Men
I think it was a mistake to show the pig being killed on TV. Couldn't they just show them eating the pig afterwards? I don't want to see some defenseless animal being killed by some dude with a knife where he has to stab it repeatedly while the animal suffers. I don't find it offensive that they killed a pig. I do find it offensive that they had to show it in detail. Most of us are meat-eaters and animals die everyday to sustain us. That doesn't mean we want to watch cattle being butchered in a slaughter house so PETA can come out of the woodwork and b**** about it. If I were there and I were hungry, I would kill the damn pig. But, unless I'm some knife wielding hunter with a taste for blood and death, I don't want to see the damn animal being stabbed repeatedly. Only when I'm doing the stabbing, PLEASE! Bad call on the show's part....does nothing for the show. In fact, it's disgusting to watch. It was bad enough watching them eat worms. Surf ------------------
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I understand their complaints. I don't have a problem with them b****ing, but I can't stand PETA. They drive me nuts. ------------------ "You know what they say about the music business. Here today, gone TODAY! - Chris Rock at the MTV Music Video Awards
I can understand what PETA is saying, but I'm with you Jeff -- I can't stand them. "Please rename the Green Bay Packers the Green Bay Pickers" -- yeah, that about did it for me . . . ------------------ All your base are belong to us
Surfguy , If I remember correctly all that was showed was the man from the torso up bringing the the knife down in a stabbing motion , you made it sound much worse. ------------------ I'm worse at what I do best And for this gift I feel blessed
I think I stopped supporting PETA when they began to take harder stances by doing things like showing slaughtered animals on signs outside of schools and burger joints where kids are. I don't support that from anti-abortion groups so I won't support it from PETA either. My problem is that they seem to have taken the stance that we should defend animals at the expense of humans in EVERY situation. I don't personally like animal experimentation and I don't eat meat but I can't support PETA when they don't take the feelings and concerns of children and other humans into account. ------------------ "You know what they say about the music business. Here today, gone TODAY! - Chris Rock at the MTV Music Video Awards
PETA and the Humane Society are now gunning for CBS and Mark Burnett. I'm glad they finally uncovered CBS's plot -- it has nothing to do with ratings or money. Their goal is to send contract killers to Australia to torture animals. PETA's obviously slanted comments aside -- Any thoughts on this? Was it cruel? Was it hunting? From PETA: http://www.peta.org/news/0201/0201Survivor.html Statement About Survivor II Animal Slaughter For Immediate Release: February 16, 2001 PETA's attorneys are in touch with lawyers in Australia who are reviewing existing laws to see whether a criminal act or acts took place. In 1925, Australia passed its Animal Protection Act, making it illegal to torture, mistreat, or bait any animal or to instigate such acts. If Mark Burnett and CBS orchestrated this act by placing a tame pig on the scene, or separating a wild pig from her family group by helicopter or otherwise, or baiting or corralling this pig so she could be attacked , Burnett and CBS and others on the set are also likely to have violated the criminal code. "Instigating" cruelty is an offense equal to stabbing an animal. It appears that Mark Burnett sent and contracted with people from the U.S. to go to Australia and, there, commit an act or acts of animal cruelty that would be illegal in this country and most likely are illegal there. Many people have called to say that they are appalled and upset about the show and are going vegetarian as a result. There is no question that the animals killed on last night's show suffered. It is troubling that CBS would allow this to happen. In so doing, they have established themselves as deliberately willing to break with society's well- established concerns regarding the ethical and humane treatment of animals. Becoming the network of animal haters doesn't sit well with the general viewing public. PETA's attorneys in the U.S. are contacting CBS today to request the preservation of all the tapes that recorded the slaughter and events leading up to it. We want to know how many times the animal was stabbed before she died, because it seems that death did not come quickly, and how the animal came to be there in the first place. From the Humane Society: http://hsus.org/news/021601.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- February 16, 2001 HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES CRITICIZES CBS FOR AIRING PIG SLAUGHTER ON "SURVIVOR" WASHINGTON - The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), the nation's largest animal protection organization, has issued the following statement on the CBS Entertainment show "Survivor": "Many viewers tuning into last night's episode of the smash hit 'Survivor' were horrified to witness the inhumane and gratuitous killing of an apparently wild or feral pig," said Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice president of The Humane Society of the United States. "The individual who killed this animal did so in an extremely inhumane manner, causing obvious suffering to a creature in his rightful place at the wrong time. The fact is, this animal died and suffered for entertainment purposes masquerading as 'hunting and gathering.' Despite what promoters say, there are groundrules for this 'reality' television. One groundrule should be a prohibition on acts of animal cruelty." ------------------ Stay Cool...
Well, I will ally myself with any person or group who is against Survivor. So, I guess I'm a PETA supporter now. Many people have called to say that they are appalled and upset about the show and are going vegetarian as a result. I don't understand this part. Because of what happened to some pigs on a TV show taped thousands of miles away, people are becomming vegetarian. I'm pretty sure the pig that I eat (not that I eat a lot of pork) wasn't killed in Australia by some game show contestants. This seems like a pretty weak reason to give up meat (that's not to say that there isn't cruelty in the meat processing and packing industry. I have heard that MTV VJ Martha Quinn became a vegetarian after touring an IBP plant. That makes more sense to me because IBP produces beef that many of us actually do eat and the way they treat the animals and process the meat is probably the norm in the industry. I think Martha's problem was the cleanliness issue, though, IIRC.) ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
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