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Pelosi knew about interrogation methods, which confirms that she is a liar

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  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

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    The lies of these corrupt democrats just keep trickling out...

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/05/cia_says_pelosi_was_briefed_on.html

    CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'
    By Paul Kane
    Intelligence officials released documents this evening saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was briefed in September 2002 about the use of harsh interrogation tactics against al-Qaeda prisoners, seemingly contradicting her repeated statements over the past 18 months that she was never told that these techniques were actually being used.

    In a 10-page memo outlining an almost seven-year history of classified briefings, intelligence officials said that Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) were the first two members of Congress ever briefed on the interrogation tactics. Then the ranking member and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, respectively, Pelosi and Goss were briefed Sept. 4, 2002, one week before the first anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

    The memo, issued by the Director of National Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency to Capitol Hill, notes the Pelosi-Goss briefing covered "EITs including the use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah." EIT is an acronym for enhanced interrogation technique. Zubaydah was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured and the first to have the controversial tactic known as water boarding used against him.

    The issue of what Pelosi knew and when she knew it has become a matter of heated debate on Capitol Hill. Republicans have accused her of knowing for many years precisely the techniques CIA agents were using in interrogations, and only protesting the tactics when they became public and liberal antiwar activists protested.

    In a carefully worded statement, Pelosi's office said today that she had never been briefed about the use of waterboarding, only that it had been approved by Bush administration lawyers as a legal technique to use in interrogations.

    "As this document shows, the Speaker was briefed only once, in September 2002. The briefers described these techniques, said they were legal, but said that waterboarding had not yet been used," said Brendan Daly, Pelosi's spokesman.

    Pelosi's statement did not address whether she was informed that other harsh techniques were already in use during the Zubaydah interrogations.

    In December 2007 the Washington Post reported that leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees had been briefed in the fall of 2002 about waterboarding -- which simulates drowning -- and other techniques, and that no congressional leaders protested its use. At the time Pelosi said she was not told that waterboarding was being used, a position she stood by repeatedly last month when the Bush-era Justice Department legal documents justifying the interrogation tactics were released by Attorney General Eric Holder.

    The new memo shows that intelligence officials were willing to share the information about waterboarding with only a sharply closed group of people. Three years after the initial Pelosi-Goss briefing, Bush officials still limited interrogation technique briefings to just the chairman and ranking member of the House and Senate intelligence committees, the so-called Gang of Four in the intelligence world.

    In October 2005, CIA officials began briefing other congressional leaders with oversight of the intelligence community, including top appropriators who provided the agency its annual funding. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam and an opponent of torture techniques, was also read into the program at that time even though he did not hold a special committee position overseeing the intelligence community.

    A bipartisan collection of lawmakers have criticized the practice of limiting information to just the "Gang of Four", who were expressly forbidden from talking about the information from other colleagues, including fellow members of the intelligence committees. Pelosi and others are considering reforms that would assure a more open process for all committee members.
     
    #1 bigtexxx, May 7, 2009
  2. Ottomaton

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    I'm sure this will make your head spin and smoke come out of your ears, bigtexxx, but if Pelosi was given an opportunity to veto waterboarding and didn't, then I believe she should be prosecuted as well.

    But if the only issue is that she was simply told about it under the aegis of her security clearance, technically she is required by the laws of the USA to deny that the briefing ever took place. In that instance, she is obeying the law. I'm sure you'd never endorse people violating Top Secret security clearences, right Texxx?
     
    #2 Ottomaton, May 7, 2009
  3. basso

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    but liberals won't care (see otto's response); the issue was only of use as a cudgel to beat the bush admin w/. now that their guy is in, it won't be an issue, never mind the gulf between O's actions and words.

    party before country, that's their mantra. funny, that the "liberals" here are so concerned about gay rights (as am i), but unwilling to actually lift a pinkie to help gays in countries that would push them off cliffs simply for existing.
     
    #3 basso, May 8, 2009
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    I agree. Investigate and prosecute if she was complicit in the use of torture.
     
    #4 FranchiseBlade, May 8, 2009
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    this is sooooooooo stupid. what is your beef with pelosi, this article still doesn't prove she knew about waterboarding and secondly what if she did? she's not responsible.

    civics lesson

    congress makes law
    executive branch enforces
     
    #5 pgabriel, May 8, 2009
  6. Major

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    Congrats! You're no longer a liberal according to basso standards.
     
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  7. Lil Pun

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    "Which confirms she is a liar"


    I have news for you texxx, all politicians are liars. Republican, Democrats, Independents it doesn't matter they're all liars.
     
    #7 Lil Pun, May 8, 2009
  8. MoonDogg

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  9. B-Bob

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    My head exploded. One of the tiny three used the term "party before country" as an insult for liberals who are insulting Pelosi in this thread and Obama in a nearby thread.

    I haven't even repaired my ironometer from earlier in the week; now it will be in the shop for months. :(
     
    #9 B-Bob, May 8, 2009
  10. Ottomaton

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    So because I said she should be prosecuted if she endorsed the use of torture, I'm being dishonest, and I don't really care about torture except as a partisan tool?

    Could you explain that again, please?
     
    #10 Ottomaton, May 8, 2009
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    I was kind of wondering about that myself.
     
    #11 gifford1967, May 8, 2009
  12. B-Bob

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    Ask a broke down Oracle to predict the fine structure constant.
    Ask Carrot Top to write an essay on Film Noir.
    Ask the Astros to take bp with blindfolds.
    Ask a flu virus to respond to antibiotics.
    Ask the Lakers to just play basketball.
     
    #12 B-Bob, May 8, 2009
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    basso knew the answer he wanted, and thought might be given. He ignored the reality and went with what he wanted to hear instead.
     
    #13 FranchiseBlade, May 8, 2009
  14. MoonDogg

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    That dude is scary these days....

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. rimrocker

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    Not really news. We've known she and Rockefeller and perhaps other Dems received briefings on torture during the Bush Administration. Regardless of whether the briefings were complete or intentionally misleading, any credible politician should have been able to sniff out the issue. That they did nothing is indicative of the spinelessness of the Dems at the time and I'm fine if they end up taking a fall for their pussillanimous non-actions.

    And really folks, the fact that Pelosi probably knew about torture does not excuse the Bush administration from implementing and justifying torture. It's still against the law and immoral and ineffective whether Pelosi acquiesced to it or not.
     
    #15 rimrocker, May 8, 2009
  16. Major

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    I don't think basso actually reads the replies. He's just an automated bot.
     
    #16 Major, May 8, 2009
  17. Red Chocolate

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    ^^^
    For the love of God how is this not obvious to anyone who has a remote clue about politics?? Anyone backed by a corporate/MIC dollar is going to be a liar, doesn't matter what party they represent. O hai I represent a defense contract company here's 5 million for your campaign now plz end your foreign wars lol. Why people are so dumb to not ever vote for the candidates that are pro-liberty and anti-war I'll never be able to truly understand.
     
    #17 Red Chocolate, May 8, 2009
  18. glynch

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    Well the difference is that about 90% of the GOP love stupid wars and only about 25% of the Dems do. About 40% of the Dems, who aren't really stupid enough to actually think these wars are necessary vote for them anyway. Partly they do this because of the defense company campaign financing and partly because the Fox News-Limbaugh propaganda convinces their constituents that frequent wars are necessary.
     
    #18 glynch, May 8, 2009
  19. basso

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    just curious george, since you don't seem to support the war in afghanistan, what do you think would have been the appropriate response to 9/11?
     
    #19 basso, May 8, 2009
  20. rimrocker

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    Not speaking for glynch, but you could easily label the Afghan War stupid for the way it was strangled in its cradle to shift resources the the ultimate folly of Iraq without being against the Afghan War in principle. In fact, that's pretty much my position.

    Besides, the way i read glynch's post is that he's talking about stupid wars in general as exemplified by Iraq instead of Afghanistan and Iraq specifically.
     
    #20 rimrocker, May 8, 2009
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