Paul Ryan: Obamacare repeal is first priority under Trump

The Republicans had no part in Obamacare whatsoever, so nothing done was to get them to vote for it. The issue was that they couldn't sell single payer to less liberal Democrats meaning that they didn't have the votes in their own party to get it passed. In order to get them on board, they went with the program they passed and bribed several Democrat Senators with pork to buy their votes.

The reason single payer was so unpopular is because of how much it would cost, it would basically be like picking up a more expensive version of social security which would mean an absolutely massive tax increase on everyone in order to pay for. I mean we're talking about over a trillion dollars worth of healthcare a year if the government is going to tackle even half that cost, then it would take just a mind blowing tax increase.....and that would only go up from there.

 

lol wrong thread,

 

Yep, ACA merely isn't profitable enough for the major private insurance companies. ACA had hoped to get enough young and/or healthy people to enroll to offset the costs of subsidizing the preventative unhealthy type and the pre-existing type.

Also, burdening employers with the cost of healthcare is insanely dumb as instead of wage growth, that money is going towards healthcare. Everyone not eligible for Medicare needs to have a basic, bare bones Medicaid plan (we will still have to subsidize the poor) while people can purchase private supplemental plans. We need to expand the role of HSA accounts.

 

Yeah I get that. My question is if in 2008 there is an assumption that healthcare needs to be reformed, what did Republicans propose that was rejected by Democrats at the time (regardless of the partisanship)?

In other words, if we believe a bipartisan plan would be superior to Democrats-only Obamacare, what did Republicans want included or propose that Democrats rejected?

 

They didn't get a chance to propose anything, that's how things worked when the Democrats had a majority in both the house and senate and Obama in the White House. There was a token Republican allowed on the committee, but they weren't allowed to propose anything so they stepped down. It was clear to EVERYONE that they didn't want any input from anyone outside the party.

 

Did they have a gag order? Was anything proposed through the media. I can understand Dems blocking any written input to the law out of partisanship but I'm trying to understand what Republicans proposed that would have worked better...

 

Well, I imagine we'll see their proposal within the next 3 months or so.

 

u can change Obamacare to a single-payer, like it should have been in the first place, that would solve most of the problems.

 

I really dont get the point of this question unless one is looking to place the blame of failure, which is always the motivation of politics. The Republicans didn't have a plan then, they dont have one now and they wont have one in the future. A 'fair' solution to healthcare requires a solution of the extreme of the left or the extreme of the right. The least favorable solution is a compromise between the two, which is exactly what Obamacare is...Forcing the free market to cover literally everyone. This solution is a disaster, and to be honest, I am surprised Obamacare failed much sooner than later. I did not expect six years in for everyone to realize "we need to pass it to see whats in it" was a complete failure. That is how bad of a failure Obamacare is. Anything that does not lead to a single payer will be a disaster.

 

While creating a thousand more.

 

A few articles that may answer your questions:

http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/hcr_amendments/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...7/this_is_what_bipartisanship_looks_like.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-health-plan-incorporates-ideas-of-Democ/

 

Thanks. Although those tend to be left leaning sites. I was really hoping to get something from Bobby with the counterpoint (fox news article?) since he is so adamant that Dems did it alone and shut out the GOP.

Side note...Ethan Sherwood Strauss used to write about politics? No wonder his basketball takes sucks

 

There was an honest attempt at a bi-partisan bill with the Senate (house rep was no-way from the start). Political pressure rattle some Dem and eventually the public option was taken off the table. You can argue that that's the biggest compromise, although it was the Dem own doing at the end. I believe they initially have the votes to pass whatever they want, including the public option. But wasting time working the with Senate's republican eventually lead to situation where the public option was no longer an option, even to pass with only DEM votes.

It's factually clear that the GOP wasn't shut down, but bipartisan attempt was not successful, a complete failure, and DEM own the bill at the end.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/the-real-story-of-obamacares-birth/397742/

 

Obamacare was the Republicans solution to health care over a single payer system until Obama embraced it. That's why the Republicans have no answer to replace it, Obama stole their plan.

Now that they are against ObamaCare, they will simply repeal and once health care costs start to spiral again, they will start a war to distract the dumb idiots like bobbythegreat.

 

Again, when the **** are we going to start taxing employer paid health insurance as income? Sick and tired of the free riders.

 

Tell that to the Medicare crowd too as they are getting a lot more benefits than they put in.

 

Sure it was. The GOP don't have any tools left except to pass an ACA-lite bill.

 

Edit: Renaming Obamacare to Trumpcare is the first priority.