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[Pat Buchanan] Where are the Christians?

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  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Member

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    Where are the Christians?

    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51116

    07/18/06 "WND" -- -- When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed.

    First came capitulation on the Bush Doctrine, as Pyongyang and Tehran defied Bush's dictum: The world's worst regimes will not be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Then came suspension of the democracy crusade as Islamic militants exploited free elections to advance to power and office in Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq and Iran.

    Now, Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon – smashing airport runways, fuel tanks, power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads and the occasional refugee convoy – has exposed Bush's folly in subcontracting U.S. policy out to Tel Aviv, thus making Israel the custodian of our reputation and interests in the Middle East.

    The Lebanon that Israel, with Bush's blessing, is smashing up has a pro-American government, heretofore considered a shining example of his democracy crusade. Yet, asked in St. Petersburg if he would urge Israel to use restraint in its airstrikes, Bush sounded less like the leader of the Free World than some bellicose city councilman from Brooklyn Heights.

    What Israel is up to was described by its army chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, when he threatened to "turn back the clock in Lebanon 20 years."

    Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.

    Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians. To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.

    Then, Israel instructed the United States to terminate all aid to the Palestinian Authority, though Bush himself had called for the elections and for the participation of Hamas. Our Crawford cowboy meekly complied.

    The predictable result: Fatah and Hamas fell to fratricidal fighting, and Hamas militants began launching Qassam rockets over the fence from Gaza into Israel. Hamas then tunneled into Israel, killed two soldiers, captured one, took him back into Gaza and demanded a prisoner exchange.

    Israel's response was to abduct half of the Palestinian cabinet and parliament and blow up a $50 million U.S.-insured power plant. That cut off electricity for half a million Palestinians. Their food spoiled, their water could not be purified, and their families sweltered in the summer heat of the Gaza desert. One family of seven was wiped out on a beach by what the IDF assures us was an errant artillery shell.

    Let it be said: Israel has a right to defend herself, a right to counter-attack against Hezbollah and Hamas, a right to clean out bases from which Katyusha or Qassam rockets are being fired and a right to occupy land from which attacks are mounted on her people.

    But what Israel is doing is imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them. Such a policy violates international law and comports neither with our values nor our interests. It is un-American and un-Christian.

    But where are the Christians? Why is Pope Benedict virtually alone among Christian leaders to have spoken out against what is being done to Lebanese Christians and Muslims?

    When al-Qaida captured two U.S. soldiers and barbarically butchered them, the U.S. Army did not smash power plants across the Sunni Triangle. Why then is Bush not only silent but openly supportive when Israelis do this?

    Democrats attack Bush for crimes of which he is not guilty, including Haditha and Abu Ghraib. Why are they, too, silent when Israel pursues a conscious policy of collective punishment of innocent peoples?

    Britain's diplomatic goal in two world wars was to bring the naive cousins in, to "pull their chestnuts out of the fire." Israel and her paid and pro-bono agents here appear determined to expand the Iraq war into Syria and Iran, and have America fight and finish all of Israel's enemies.

    That Tel Aviv is maneuvering us to fight its wars is understandable. That Americans are ignorant of, or complicit in this, is deplorable.

    Already, Bush is ranting about Syria being behind the Hezbollah capture of the Israeli soldiers. But where is the proof?

    Who is whispering in his ear? The same people who told him Iraq was maybe months away from an atom bomb, that an invasion would be a "cakewalk," that he would be Churchill, that U.S. troops would be greeted with candy and flowers, that democracy would break out across the region, that Palestinians and Israelis would then sit down and make peace?

    How much must America pay for the education of this man?

    © 2006 Creators Syndicate Inc.
     
  2. Zion

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    Nice, Pat has been speaking the truth for quite a while now.

    By the way love your sig Tiger
     
  3. Baqui99

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    Great take Rack him. Can't believe I actually agree with Pat Buchanon.
     
  4. RodrickRhodes

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    I'm not a supporter of Pat, but I think a lot of his views on the Middle East vis-a-vis US foreign policy and the Arab-Israeli situation in particular are quite sound.
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    LOL if there were a thread title "Where are the Muslims", every Muslim on this board would throw a hissy fit and cry foul.

    Funny that 3 of the 4 supporters of this thread are Mulsim :rolleyes: (not sure about Zion...but judging by him name he's likely not Christian). Looks like the jihadfans.net (thx gwayneco) crowd is lashing back at the majority to make themselves feel better.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    Thank God you only have 46 posts to go.
     
  7. MadMax

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    kind of a misleading article title. there's like one paragraph dealing with the question the title presents. the rest is just a criticism of current policy.
     
  8. losttexan

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    I'm agreeing with ole Patty boy?

    Gravity check!

    I think I need a vaction. The world is not right.
     
  9. UberDork

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    I reached 3 conclusions from the above article:

    1. The Jews have no "influence" over Pat.
    2. Pat is still bittered over his failed bid for the Presidency.
    3. Pat hates Jews.





    PS: My deductive reasonings are usually wrong.
     
  10. tigermission1

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    As I usually do, I used the article's actual title as my thread title. I do agree, however, that it's not a fitting title to this article.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    Article aside, I am -- not shocked, really, but perhaps scandalized -- scandalized that the US public, Christian and non-, isn't harsher on Israel. I'm not sure why Christians should bear any greater moral weight in opposing the pounding Lebanon's been getting.
     
  12. MR. MEOWGI

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    Don't Christians support Israel in hope of fulfilling the Apocalypse prophecy asap?
     
  13. No Worries

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    Where are the Christians?

    Getting fitted for their new white sheets.

    or

    Reading their rapture ready bbs: http://www.rr-bb.com/*.

    I feel so ...

    left behind.

    * not for the faint of heart :eek:
     
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  14. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    If those are the people you would have to hang out with in heaven, consider yourself lucky.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Dude I am so registering for that bbs.
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    Not really. At least not for the ones I know. They probably say exactly that on the 700 Club. But, Christians do support Israel because the Jews are God's chosen people and God gave the holy land to them. His covenant with the Jews is still respected. And there seems to be a feeling that the Jews would be a good (and authorized) caretaker of the holy places important to Christiandom. There is a fear that these would be destroyed or isolated under Muslim rule.

    This attitude seems to me to be internally consistent with the religion, but the effect seems to be too much leniency to Israel. Given that they come down on the Jews' side, it seems to me that the polarization of the issue of Zionism forces them to supporting Israel in doing things that Christians have no interest in or that even run counter to the other values of the religion. I'm not sure why it is that just because they are God's people they should have carte blanche to persecute people, or why we can't bomb the hell out of them if it came to that ("God always leaves a remnant" after all, right?). The Christian support seems a little illogical to me. It'll be interesting to see how far Israel can go before American Christians do a double-take. Would gassing the Palestinians do the trick?

    As for the end-times, Christian circles I frequent don't spend an unwholesome amount of time thinking about it. They certainly don't feel like there is anything they can do to speed it up, much less something they need to do before it can get underway. End times isn't something to look forward to anyway. It's not supposed to be much fun and it means that all the people you could have hoped would eventually come around and be saved are now SOL and damned for eternity. You'd have to be an evil s.o.b. to look forward to that. Wouldn't it be better to live out your life, die and enter the afterlife without having to watch the whole world go completely to ****?
     
  17. SamFisher

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    :( registration is closed.

    I loved this however:
    you can't make that kind of stuff up, but I hope to....
     
  18. No Worries

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    Heaven must be fullup up ;)

    We could start a thread about the craziness found on that bbs (which I googled for as I was writing a reply here)
     
  19. rimbaud

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    There is/was a news show on TBN that was called something along the lines of "Prophesy Today" and the lead anchor always signs off (paraphrasing) thusly, "Thank you for joining us, we'll see you again next week...if we are still here."
     
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I don't think people are well informed. I know I haven't been paying as much attention as I should. I'm not an Isreal hater, I try to understand both position but no one can condone hitting civilian targets

    but the hezbollah has been labeled as terrorists, correct are not so I would guess that some people feel "eye for an eye".
     

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