there are so many important points in this article, i've bolded some, and pulled out the key graph so Deckard can feel he's moderately well informed. "For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda." [rquoter]Voting for Commander in Chief There can only be one. by Frederick W. Kagan 06/16/2008 It would be hard to design a better test for the job of commander in chief than the real-life test senators John McCain and Barack Obama have undergone in the last two years. As the situation in Iraq deteriorated during 2006 and the war reached its most critical moment, both senators served on national security committees: McCain on Armed Services, Obama on Foreign Relations. From those positions, with access to classified situation reports as well as the public testimony and private advice of those who knew the situation in Iraq best, each man reached an understanding of the facts on the ground and the interests at stake. And each proposed a strategy. It was as close as a presidential candidate could get to showing how he would respond to a national security crisis without already being in the White House. Both men's proposals are a matter of public record, available on the Internet. McCain set forth his in a speech at the American Enterprise Institute on January 5, 2007 (at an event marking the release of AEI's "Choosing Victory," which I wrote, outlining a strategy like the one Bush later ordered). Obama presented his in the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 " (S. 433), which he introduced in the Senate on January 30. We also know the strategy the president chose--the surge of forces he announced on January 10, very similar to what McCain described--and the outcome it has brought. McCain's recommendations drew on his conversations with commanders on the ground in Iraq, where he traveled in late December 2006. McCain called for a minimum of three to five additional brigades in Baghdad and at least one in Anbar province. Their mission, he said, would be to implement the thus far elusive 'hold' element of the military's clear-hold-build strategy, to maintain security in cleared areas, to protect the population and critical infrastructure, and to impose the government's authority--essential elements of a traditional counterinsurgency strategy. McCain cited the "excellent" track record of U.S. troops in stopping sectarian violence. He noted that, "where American soldiers have deployed to areas in turmoil, including Baghdad neighborhoods, the violence has ceased almost immediately." And he was specific about the tasks troops would perform: "establish local outposts; forge relationships with local leaders, which by the way is proceeding in Anbar province; build intelligence networks; engage in economic reconstruction activities; oversee other employment-generating projects; and wean the populace off their reliance on militias for safety." All this the Americans would do "in cooperation with the Iraqi forces until such time as the Iraqis can do it on their own." In his speech, McCain predicted what the surge would achieve. First, it would cause "more casualties and extra hardships for our brave fighting men and women." But then it would bring violence under control. This would "pave the way for a political settlement." McCain went on, "Once the government wields greater authority, however, Iraqi leaders must take significant steps on their own. These include a commitment to go after the militias, a reconciliation process for insurgents and Baathists, a more equitable distribution of government resources, provincial elections that will bring Sunnis into the government, and a large increase in employment-generating economic projects." McCain acknowledged "many, many mistakes since 2003" and the difficulty of reversing them. Still, the consequences of defeat would be "catastrophic." His bottom line: "By surging troops and bringing security to Baghdad and other areas, we will give the Iraqis and their partners the best possible chances to succeed." Barack Obama's approach differed from McCain's in its basis as well as its goals and methods. Not having traveled to Iraq since January 2006--before the Samarra Mosque bombing, the explosion of sectarian violence, and the two failed U.S. attempts to quell that violence--Obama relied on others' testimony in assessing the situation on the ground. His bill quoted a skeptical Colin Powell and an even more skeptical CENTCOM commander, General John Abizaid. Abizaid said he had discussed the usefulness of a surge of U.S. troops with "every divisional commander, General Casey, the corps commander, General Dempsey," and all had agreed that a surge of troops would not "add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq." Worse, it would "prevent the Iraqis from doing more, from taking more responsibility for their own future." Given this analysis, Obama's legislation forbade the surge and ordered most U.S. troops out of Iraq by the spring of 2008. It said, The redeployment of the Armed Forces under this section shall be substantial, shall occur in a gradual manner, and shall be executed at a pace to achieve the goal of the complete redeployment of all United States combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008, consistent with the expectation of the Iraq Study Group, if all the matters set forth in subsection (b)(1)(B) are not met by such date, subject to the exceptions for retention of forces for force protection, counter-terrorism operations, training of Iraqi forces, and other purposes as contemplated by subsection (g). In the media, Obama repeatedly predicted that the surge would fail. The day the president announced the new policy, Obama told Larry King he "did not see anything" in the president's surge that would "make a significant dent in the sectarian violence." The same day, he said on MSNBC, I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse. I think it takes pressure off the Iraqis to arrive at the sort of political accommodation that every observer believes is the ultimate solution to the problems we face there. So I am going to actively oppose the president's proposal.... I think he is wrong, and I think the American people believe he's wrong. Four days later, Obama told Face the Nation, "We cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality--we can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops, I don't know any expert on the region or any military officer that I've spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground." So what happened? President Bush ordered the surge. He committed an additional five Army brigades and two Marine battalions to Iraq with the mission of protecting the Iraqi population. In accomplishing this, U.S. forces partnered with Iraqi troops precisely as McCain had suggested, helping them "hold" areas that they had jointly "cleared." Meanwhile, American troops established bonds with local leaders, as McCain had said they would, which led to the expansion of the "Anbar Awakening" movement throughout central Iraq. And U.S. troops developed numerous economic and infrastructure projects that provided jobs. Sectarian violence stopped almost completely. Al Qaeda in Iraq was dealt what CIA director Michael Hayden now assesses as "a near strategic defeat." This allowed Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to commit Iraqi Security Forces directly against the last remaining illegal militias in Iraq, clearing them out of Basra and Sadr City--weaning "the populace off their reliance on militias for safety," as McCain had put it. American casualties initially rose, as McCain had warned they would, but then fell dramatically: Last month was the lowest-casualty month of the entire war. Once violence was under control, the Iraqis began to make serious political progress, as McCain had predicted. They passed almost all of the "benchmark" legislation that Obama's bill would have required. What would have happened if Obama's bill had passed? There is no way to know for sure, but it seems likely that, facing less resistance, Al Qaeda in Iraq would have continued to gain strength, the fragile Iraqi Security Forces would have collapsed, as would the fragile Iraqi government, militias would have flourished--and the United States would have departed under fire, accepting a humiliating defeat in the war against al Qaeda that would have reverberated globally. For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda. The two men brought different backgrounds to the test, of course. In January 2007, McCain had been a senator for 20 years and had served in the military for 23 years. Obama had been a senator for 2 years and before that was a state legislator, lawyer, and community organizer. But neither presidential candidates nor the commander in chief gets to choose the tests that history brings. Once in office, the one elected must perform. [/rquoter]
OMFG!!!!! The Weekly Standard likes McCain instead of Obama???? Stop the presses! Maybe someone should counter with a Mother Jones article on why they've had to decide after great deliberation to endorse Obama over McCain. Personally, when William Kristol likes someone, it is like receiving the ringing endorsement of Beelzebub – it doesn’t exactly make me feel confident about the individual.
Actually, I did. It is more of the typical Neocon teeth-gnashing about why the war is on the verge of success if not for the impending Dolchscloss by the Democrats, and typical legend building about 'the surge' as some sort of war winner. It belongs right up there with your posts about how the Vietnam War was on the verge of being won until the stupid lib-pigs decided to sabotage impending American greatness. You can't see the forest for the trees. The fundamentals mean this war is just as lost as the British invasion of Afghanistan. They had all sorts of short term successes, too. In the end, it didn't matter one bit, besides the fact that it convinced the British Empire to continue throwing lives, money, and effort into a black hole.
I think we went down this path once before not to long ago and it was you who ran away in fear of exposure to anything but your insular back slapping self-congratulatory writings. When you are willing to submit to your own rhetoric, come back and we can continue this conversation.
that you could write "insular back slapping self-congratulatory writings" as a description of Yon's book just shows you have no idea what it's about. 'tis not i who is afraid my friend.
Well, since he has written for the Weekly Standard, and as a former soldier is writing a slobberingly worshipful book about soldiers, I think my statements qualify. Here is his publisher: http://www.richardvigilantebooks.com/ When your publisher wishes he had published sympathetic biographies of Joseph McCarthy, I think it is fair to say you aren't exactly living in the real world. In any case, my offer still stands if you are brave enough to accept it.
So we should listen to a prominent Neocon, a member of AEI, signatory to PNAC, and a guy who thought Baker-Hamilton was not militant enough and thus helped convince W that the surge was a good idea? Why should we listen to anything this man says when he has not only a huge amount of personal prestige invested in a specific course for the war, but also has been so terribly wrong on everything? This guy, his brother, and his dad should be laughed out of any serious discussion on the Iraq War because they are not serious people... they are people living out their fantasies by pretending to be serious. Notice the self-congratulatory egotism in the second paragraph.
Yes, I read it, and it seemed ill informed and slanted. The surge has not succeeded according to the administrations own reasoning behind the surge. The purpose of the surge was to provide security so that Iraqi could get some political stability. The security has been provided, but the political security is non-existent. The largest party of the Sunni's are still not part of the govt. and they have recently been so disenchanted they even withdrew from scheduled talks. There were protests where people were burning the Iraqi Prime Minister and George Bush in effigy etc. Before we say Obama was wrong in saying the surge would fail, it should at least succeed. The guy made a prediction of what have seemed likely had Obama's bill passed. I have another preidiction. Iraqis would have had to assume responsibility for running their own nation, and since they don't like Al-Qaeda and have a better understanding of the terrain and people would have defeated them. On top of that Al-Qaeda would have had less motivation to stay active in Iraq and would have been weakened.
well, i made my offer here, yet rimmy was too enmeshed in his own personal quagmire to accept. mccain made his, but i doubt omama has the balls. what about the rest of the senate? [rquoter] An Open Offer to U.S. Senators One of the biggest problems with the Iraq War is that politics has frequently triumphed over truth. For instance, we went into Iraq with shoddy intelligence (at best), no reconstruction plan, and perhaps half as many troops as were required. We refused to admit that an insurgency was growing, until the country collapsed into anarchy and civil war. Now the truth is that Iraq is showing real progress on many fronts: Al Qaeda is being defeated and violence is down and continuing to decrease. As a result, the militias have lost their reason for existence and are getting beaten back or co-opted. Shia, Sunni and Kurds are coming together -- although with various stresses -- under the national government. If progress continues at this rate, it is very possible that before 2008 is out, we can finally say "the war has ended." Yes, likely there still will be some American casualties, but if the violence continues to drop and the Iraqi government consolidates its gains, we will be able, in good conscience, to begin bringing more of our people home. I will be paying very close attention to the words of Lieutenant General Raymond Odierno, who is replacing General Petraeus as the overall commander in Iraq. Whatever we do in Iraq from here forward, we must strive to make better decisions than those made between 2003 and 2006. And one way to achieve that is by making certain that our civilian leaders are fully informed. All three candidates for President are extremely intelligent, but that doesn't mean that all three are tracking the truth on the ground in Iraq. Anyone who wants to be President of the United States needs to see Iraq without the distorting lenses of the media or partisan politics. I would be honored to visit Iraq with Senator Obama, Senator Clinton, Senator McCain or any of their Senate colleagues. I hereby offer to accompany any Senator to Iraq, whether they are pro-or anti-war, Democrat or Republican. I will make this offer personally to a few select Senators as well. Our conversations during the visit would be on- or off-record, as they wish. Touring Iraq with me, as well as briefings by U.S. officers and meetings with Iraqis, would provide an accurate and nuanced account of the progress and challenges ahead, so that the Senators might have a highly informed perspective on this most critical issue. Our civilian leaders need to make decisions based on the best information available. The only way to learn what is really going on in Iraq is to go there and listen to our ground commanders, who know what they are doing. Generals Petraeus and Odierno have years of experience in Iraq, and vast knowledge of our efforts there. But the young soldiers who have done multiple tours in Iraq also have unique and invaluable perspectives as well. These young soldiers have personally witnessed the trajectory of the war shift dramatically, and can articulate those changes in concrete and specific terms. It doesn’t matter if a soldier is only twenty-something. If he or she spent two or three years in the war, that person is likely to have valuable insights. The best way to understand what is really going on is to listen closely to a wide range of service members who have done multiple tours in Iraq. Some will be negative, some will be positive, but overall I am certain that the vast majority of multi-tour Iraq veterans will testify that there has been great progress, and now there is hope. Combat veterans don’t tolerate happy talk or wishful thinking. They’ll tell you the raw truth as they see it. Whether any Senators take advantage of my offer, I do hope that the presidential candidates visit Iraq, not just for a photo opportunity, but to spend time with our commanders and combat veterans, who know the truth and are not afraid to speak it.[/rquoter]
Who is Michael Yon, and why would Senators go to Iraq with him? And would these Senators actually tour the real Iraq, or go with the mass-protection/clear-out-the-streets version of the tour that McCain took that convinced him a market that has daily sniper fire, fearful businessowners, and the occasional bomb (except when cleared out for a US military visit) was perfectly safe?
the point of going would be to see the real iraq. an iraq that apparently has rimmy and the batmen quaking in their birkenstocks.
Did I miss something? Did we win the Iraq war so we know that McCain's "prediction" (how is saying something COULD aka "might" be a success a prediction?) was right? Did we get the alternate reality of seeing Obama's vision in place to know that it leads to American defeat? Interesting use of woulds and coulds there.
That's unfortunate, because US Senators aren't allowed to do that. Unless, in the real Iraq, people visiting the street market get helicopters flying overhead to protect them and masses of US troops clearing the market area first.
hey, i thought you supported the troops, or am i mistaken? is being proud of the work they're doing somehow a bad thing?
Just a pathetic post. And for the record, I wear footwear from Drew's, not Birkenstock. http://www.drewsboots.com/firelogg.htm